Can you provide a cite for your claims? I’ve never heard of them in the mainstream media yet.
And there has to be one standard: if we claim that (and I know the following are from different posters)
…that means that you must agree that
You must answer both questions yes or both no. If you expect the US to be judged more harshly than the terrorists, you must also acknowledge that the US is morally superior. If you say no - they just be judged according to the same standard, then you must also agree that they are roughly equivalent in terms of moral standards.
Here is a professor of foreigh policy at Pepperdine University who appears to think that the solution the the GW SNAFU might be to becomemurderous madmen.
Sorta puts a new twist on “What the hell are they teaching the kids these days?”
So lets see: you link us to a story that has no relationship to any of the cases that Diogenes listed, from a website whose name is synonymous with lying shitheads. I’ll take that as an admission, that you are, in his words, “a deliberately disingenuous fuck”.
I assume that this is addressed to Diogenes. Well, all of his claims were proved in a post by Simon on the first page. It never hurts to read the thread before you respond. Also check out the thread started by alaricgoth last weekend.
I’ve read the Boston Globe story in question, and based on the description of the photos they gave there they are likely the same pictures that I saw a week or so ago when they were mentioned in the LiveJournal “feminist” community.
The consensus there is that they were porn, and fake: the shots are framed and blocked exactly like you’d expect a porn shot to be framed, and several of the poses are classic porn poses (especially the one of a woman’s face with four or five penises arrayed about it with one just touching her mouth – very classic porn shot, that, and totally improbable in an actual gang rape situation). Also, the “soldiers” were wearing Basic BDUs instead of Desert BDUs, and some of the “soldiers” were wearing athletic shoes instead of boots. The weapons shown were not military issue and nobody was wearing an identifiable uniform. They looked exactly what you’d expect from an American porn studio that was asked to make porn depicting soldiers “raping” women. They looked nothing like the photos we’ve been seeing out of Iraq. We could not decide whether they were commissioned especially for the website, or just winnowed out of pre-existing content. WND claims that they’re lifted from a website called “Iraq Babes” being operated out of Pennsylvania; take that as you wish.
The site that was hosting them was not in English (mixture of French and a middle-Eastern language that I did not recognize) and is (as far as I know) down now. The Globe doesn’t provide copies of the pictures it alleges it has, so I can’t actually compare them to tell if they’re the same, but the description they give matches; specifically, that they were shot outside in a sandy area with hills in the background.
It looks to me like the Globe got whooshed on this one.
I’m not familiar with the source either. After seeing your response I tried to do some verification searches as well, and came up empty. That being the case, I’ll gladly withdraw the link and note it as unreliable until proven otherwise.
The reason I had linked it was your mention of Iraqi prison rapes and the story made a case for bogus rape pics that are floating around that some ppl may take as being real.
Jesus fucking Christ! Do you suppose he actually froths at the mouth and jumps up and down screaming Kill! Kill! Kill! right there in the lecture hall? Academic freedom is one thing but flat out wacko is another.
Of course this is the same outfit that appointed Ken Starr as the dean of its law school.
A few choice quotes:
[ul][li]“Last week I was outraged at the behavior of a handful of reservists and disgusted by the pictures that have been plastered all over every media source around the world. I am no longer outraged”[/li][li]“The American outrage over the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners was immediate and loud. Where is the Muslim outrage as these things butcher in the name of their God? Where is the anger over the image that has become the face of Islam? Islam has become a faith of death, hate, and murder in the eyes of the civilized world.”[/li]“If Muslims of the world do not step forward and demand the killing end, the bloodbath will never end. As Muslims allow their sons and daughters to be indoctrinated into a climate of hate where the throat-slitting of innocents and the killing of babies is cheered as a great victory for Allah, the hate will grow, but not as Muslims expect. The hate will come from our side”[/ul]
A few choice quotes:
[ul][li]“Last week I was outraged at the behavior of a handful of reservists and disgusted by the pictures that have been plastered all over every media source around the world. I am no longer outraged”[/li][li]“The American outrage over the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners was immediate and loud. Where is the Muslim outrage as these things butcher in the name of their God? Where is the anger over the image that has become the face of Islam? Islam has become a faith of death, hate, and murder in the eyes of the civilized world.”[/li][li]“If Muslims of the world do not step forward and demand the killing end, the bloodbath will never end. As Muslims allow their sons and daughters to be indoctrinated into a climate of hate where the throat-slitting of innocents and the killing of babies is cheered as a great victory for Allah, the hate will grow, but not as Muslims expect. The hate will come from our side”[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
What a joke! The most blood thirsty savages that I’ve heard have been thousands of Christian Americans with demanding genocide and torture (in this case we have an American bigot forgiving torture that includes rapes and beating deaths). The same folks with the highest innocent civillian bodycount BTW.
A few choice quotes:
[ul][li]“Last week I was outraged at the behavior of a handful of reservists and disgusted by the pictures that have been plastered all over every media source around the world. I am no longer outraged”[/li]
[li]“The American outrage over the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners was immediate and loud. Where is the Muslim outrage as these things butcher in the name of their God? Where is the anger over the image that has become the face of Islam? Islam has become a faith of death, hate, and murder in the eyes of the civilized world.”[/li]
[li]“If Muslims of the world do not step forward and demand the killing end, the bloodbath will never end. As Muslims allow their sons and daughters to be indoctrinated into a climate of hate where the throat-slitting of innocents and the killing of babies is cheered as a great victory for Allah, the hate will grow, but not as Muslims expect. The hate will come from our side”[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
I doubt she bothered to listen to what “The Muslims of the World” are saying. She also strikes me as a hateful and mean-spirited bitch who is lying through her teeth about feeling any outrage over the torture of Iraqis.
Oh, goody! The coward’s back and says that a column sums up his feelings. So let’s take a gander, shall we?
Well, see, if this hag wants to bitch about something, she really oughta look into the fact that not a single one of the Abu Ghraib prisoners was, y’know, running and shooting back. 'Samatter of fact, many of them had their hands bound. Just like Mr Berg. And comparing the actions of a handful of men in Iraq who claim to be affiliated with Al Qaida (and, I hasten to add, probably are) to Hezbollah is nothing short of blind ignorance. Of course, HailAnts feels that this column speaks for him (not sure, her?), which I believe wholeheartedly.
Let’s do some more, shall we?
Firstly, HA, this is IMHO, absolute bullshit. Y’know, when Jesus watches you read tripe like this, it makes him roll over in his grave. Please stop treating Jesus like a carnival ride.
What? Is this woman too fucking stupid to read the latest that’s gone down inre Al Sadr?
This column that the coward says speaks for him is absolute crap. Jingoistic bullshit wrapped up in a big red white and blue bow. Intellectual dishonesty aimed toward the lowest common denominator, which, if HA is to be believed has not only been hit, but assimilated. Bravo, you fucking coward.
The mental gynmastics that some people seem to be going through to call for the violent deaths of many in retribution for the deaths of one in this case – you know, to prove we’re better than them – is truly staggering. Like frightened animals.