Well, I must say that this was the craziest movie I have seen all year. It was pretty gory, gorier than the first, and some parts just made me absolutely cringe.
For those of you who have seen it, what did you think?
If you have yet to watch it, tell me what you thought from previews.
Wow. crazy crazy movie…
It was a very exciting movie … to read about at www.themoviespoiler.com. I have to say that when I read about Jigsaw’s clue regarding their minds, I instantly realized what it would likely entail.
It looks like a sequel is all but inevitable.
The end shocked the hell out of me. I mean…
The girl?!
I thought it was pretty cool. I’m a fan of the first movie, so I’m glad they managed to have the same kind of twisted scenarios as the first.
That said, I thought they overextended by having more people than they really needed in the house and the characterization seemed very rushed and unimportant. There just wasn’t time for them to talk things out, to come to various levels of trust or distrust, like in the first movie. I’ll spoiler the rest, since I want to discuss plot points.
[spoiler]I don’t think you need the black guy, the latino woman, and the blonde girl. A single character who gets sick enough to show the kid being compassionate and gets stuck in the razor box, letting macho guy do nothing to save her would have been better, and would have been cleaner.
The furnace trap was lame. You’re really going to crawl into a furnace and start tugging on chains? Turning the other characters against one of them by naming him as their captor is a cool idea, but then it didn’t go anywhere.
“The answers are in the back of your minds” was pretty blatantly obvious. But it was still a good setup. It either requires cooperation or murder and self-mutilation.
Do I understand the end of the movie correctly? The detective went to the real house, but the SWAT team went to some other place that just had VCRs. So, are we to believe that the police never found the bathroom from the first movie? I mean, several telephone calls were made, so that should narrow the search down quite a bit. And, now that the police van is out front, won’t they find the detective?[/spoiler]
[SPOILER]imdb.com’s message board debates whether or not there were two houses, and I’m assuming you could reason it either way.
I agree with you about the excess and unimportance of many of the characters… what a waste.
I have a question. When the Jigsaw’s protege is in the pit of needles and finally finds the key, it was connected to a syringe. Who, if anyone, used that antidote?
There was some debate over the furnace. Would the knob next to Satan’s picture increase the flames, killing him quickly, or would it have shut off the fire?
Also, the latino womans death was just caused by blatant stupidity. Why not just go down stairs and get one of those bricks or something to break the glass box instead of sticking your hands through holes? Of course, people with nerve gas in their system arent thinking very clearly.
There is plenty of room for Saw 3, with the officer trapped in the bathroom, a young protege to continue in John’s work, and the policeman’s son and partner to go looking for him.[/SPOILER]
I enjoyed this movie much more than I probably should have. I saw it with a full house and the audience really seemed to dig it. They were all buzzing about it on the way out.
[spoiler]I was pretty sure there were two different houses. The one the cops found was just a place to set up the video feeds. The detective and Jigsaw went to the real house. One thing I wasn’t clear about, though, was what happened to Jigsaw after the detective went into the house. Jigsaw was left on his own in the car at that point. He could have driven the car away (or his protege could have picked him up and driven him away). If that’s the case then Jigsaw and the Detective’s car could have been disappeared and the cops would never find the real house.
I’m also now completely confused about what that bathroom is supposed to be or why it’s connected to a regular house, but I guess I don’t really want to know the explanation. I kind of enjoy just having it be totally mysterious.
I liked the little twist about how the crooked detective would have found his son safe and sound if he’d just sat and talked for a couple of hours. That was why Jigsaw said “game over” when Wahlberg started betaing the crap out of him and agreed to take him to the house. I thought it would have been out of character for Jugsaw to give up after an asskickicking. It turns out he hadn’t given up. He’s just decided that Wahlberg had “lost” and had to pay the consequences. I thought it was kind of nifty.[/spoiler]
It’s a reference to the first movie (spoiler about the first movie)
The bathroom is where Dr. Lawrence Gordon (the man whose office we see John going into to hear the bad news) and another man are trapped in the first movie. They are chained on opposite sides of the bathroom, and John is the (seemingly) lifeless body between them. They have hacksaws that can’t cut through their chains, but can cut through a leg. The end of the movie has Dr. Gordon sawing his foot off and dragging himself to freedom, and John revealing himself to the other guy. Whether or not they eventually get free is left open in the first movie, but Saw II shows that they never did.
Some more questions about Saw II
[spoiler]Was Daniel given an antidote before ever waking up? He and Amanda don’t seem to show any signs of being sick, and I don’t recall that either ever gets an antidote. Obviously, Amanda would have innoculated herself. But John’s setup for the detective requires that his son eventually survive the experience, so he must have been free from the poison as well, right?
And, wouldn’t the detective, after studying all of these cases about John, have realized that he constructs elaborate games and lures cops into traps? Walking into the trap and assuming that the level of game revealed to him is the only one there is is just foolish.[/spoiler]
I thought it was a great movie. Looking forward to the DVD and Saw 111.
I notice the original poster for the movie was banned.for being to explicit.
Did anyone else notice at the end…which I’m sure is a set up for 3.
He was just half an inch from reaching the gun. He had the recorder in his other hand. He could have used the recorder to reach the gun but what did he do? He threw it at Amanda.
Similarly, in Saw He could have reached the ringing cell phone at the end by using the hacksaw, answered it, and found that his family was fine.
Not surprisingly, this movie has risen to Number One at the box office, over Zorro and The Fog.
And once your first hand was stuck, why stick your other hand through the second, identical hole instead of using it to push open the trap on the first hole?
[spoiler]What makes you think there was an antidote in that needle? I thought they used needles simply as punishment for the macho drug dealer, and to attach the key to one of them. I wasn’t under the impression that there was an antidote in any of those needles.
I didn’t even think of that. As I recall, the tape said, “Only the devil can save you,” but maybe it was actually “Only the devil can help you,” or something. Anyone remember the exact wording? Also, I believe the arrow pointed clockwise, which (at least in the US) is usually the off position (righty tighty, lefty loosey)[/spoiler]
Further questions: In the first movie, When Amanda was wearing the “reverse bear trap,” I thought I heard him say, “It’s in the stomach of your dead soulmate,” but my boyfriend heard “cellmate.” Did she have a relationship with the guy, or was he just some random guy that Jigsaw found? Also, in every other challenge (in both movies) there was at least a small possibility that no one would die. But in Amanda’s situation, she was forced to sacrifice either her own life or that of the soulmate/cellmate. Doesn’t this contradict the whole premise of what Jigsaw was trying to do?Okay, now second movie questions: [spoiler]What do you think the letter said about the glass box with the entrance-only arm-holes? Presumably, if she had taken the time to read it, she could have saved herself and obtained the antidote. She couldn’t just shatter the glass, because then the antidote would spill everywhere.
Did Amanda really start cutting her wrists after surviving her first game, or did she just tell the kid that to carry on the illusion of being “just another victim”?
Finally, why didn’t someone at the local Radio Shack warn the police of suspicious activity when a guy came in wheeling an IV behind him, and bought a few dozen mini-cassette recorders, VCRs, security cameras, miles of cable, monitors, etc.?! :dubious: [/spoiler]
I had to accompany my kid and his friend to this movie as it was R rated and a Policeman was standing watch at the door checking IDs to ensure compliance.
What a huge, stinking, steaming dump of a movie. Stupid on practically every level it’s execrable pacing and endless, mindless, purposeless, tiresome, pointless gore for the sale of gore violence was a mind killer.
The absolute mind numbingly worst part though was the amazingly stupid Beavis & Buttheadesque philosophical position of the purportedly “brilliant” protagonist, nattering on that he tortures people with life of death choices so that they can get a fuller appreciation of the value of life.
It was as if the the plot had been cooked up by a group of not overly bright teenage stoners after a long afternoon of sparking bowls.
Close, but my opinion of the SAW franchise is somewhat lower than that. Keep an eye out for another Atipodean treasure Wolf Creek. Our movie renaissance.
WTF? Did you ask why he was there? Last I checked, movie ratings were a voluntary system run by the MPAA and theater owners, not the government.
I saw that today. What a waste of time that was.
R? They rated it R? I was told it was engaging and gruesome, it was neither. I was almost going to rant about it, but no-one here would know what I was talking about.
fingers getting chopped off, spine severing and nails through someone’s wrists != OMG grusomest movey EVAR!!!1
Saw II however, looked like my type of movie, but I imagine I would just be setting myself up (again) for a let-down. I guess I should hire out the first one and see.
I’m pretty sure Diogenes knows that. I’m thinking his confusion is similar to mine:
Why does the bathroom have a big, factory-like sliding door on it? Why does what looks like a public bathroom have a bathtub in it? Why is a large industrial/public bathroom with a big sliding door and a bathtub in it in the basement of a residential house?
I fully intended on going to see it opening weekend, and already had a thread title picked out, “Saw Saw Two Too?”, which I figured I’d be the only one who thought was clever and be the only participant of.
Unfortunately, reality and a nagging notion that the movie would be awful kept me away. Sounds like I may need to get off of my rump and go suspend my disbelief for a few hours.
That’s exactly right. I saw the first movie, so I knew why the mummies were there, but they never explained what the bathroom was in the first movie either. Now we find out that it’s connected to a private residence. WTF? 
I think that’s just within the realm of disbeliefs that you’ll have to suspend for this movie, along with “What city has THAT many abandoned buildings all over the place?” and “Where did he get such an expansive knowledge of machinery, drugs, poisons, antidotes, not to mention all the necessary equipment, without anyone raising an eyebrow?” He set it up that way because that’s where he wanted Lawrence and Adam to co-exist for a few hours. Best answer I can give, anyway.