So I got a call from my son's math teacher this morning...(looooong)

My son started fourth grade this year. Last year was the first year the students received actual letter grades rather than “satisfactory” or “needs improvement”, and fourth grade is the first year the students begin switching classrooms for various subjects. Unfortunately, when I arrived for the scheduled one-on-one meeting with his homeroom teacher just before school began in the middle of August, I was dismayed to learn that not only did I have only 15 minutes with this teacher but that I was not scheduled to meet either of my son’s other two instructors. Each of them has her own homeroom class and a gaggle of parents to meet with as well.

Had I been able to meet with each of his teachers, I would’ve warned them that my son has a tendency towards losing focus and staying disorganized. I might’ve been able to tell his math teacher that although my son is weak overall in school, he is weakest in math. Don’t get me wrong. Little Butterfly is very intelligent. He’s very creative, and sometimes I am floored by his ability to reason through a problem. Except in math, of course.

So back to the subject at hand. The phone rings this morning as my husband and I are getting ready to leave the house. It’s Mrs. MathTeacher, who I’ve never met. She apologizes for not calling me sooner than she has because the mid-nine-weeks period is ending, and she has to submit grades for progress reports. Uh oh, this doesn’t sound good, I think to myself. These progress reports will be going out next week, and she doesn’t want me to be shocked. She sighs. I mentally brace myself for what I’m about to hear, but somehow, I know I won’t be as shocked as she thinks. This won’t be the first time I’ve been told disappointing news about my son’s progress.

It turns out, Little Butterfly has turned in only four assignments out of about 20 or so that have been due since the beginning of the school year.

She also tells me that he has “lost” his assignment book, known as a “planner,” which he is required to bring home every night so a parent can sign it. I told her that I knew he didn’t have it. He had told me about a week ago that the last time he saw it, this math teacher had it. She quickly tells me that when she gets those planners from the students, she looks them over, writes whatever she’s going to write, then immediately hands them back to each student. Throughout this part of the conversation, I could sense that she was a bit uneasy. I can imagine that she’s been burned once or twice by overzealous parents whose Precious Angels can do no wrong. How many times has she had to deal with people who have blamed her for their children’s lack of effort?

I told her that my son had mentioned to me that he was sure that Mrs. MathTeacher was keeping his planner (for whatever reason…world domination, perhaps?), and that he blamed her for the unexplained disappearance. Then I reassured her that I am not one of those parents who is going to charge up to the school full of piss and vinegar demanding that she be nicer to my Precious Blameless Boy. I told her that I believed her when she said she didn’t have the book and mentioned that my son could’ve thrown it out the window of the schoolbus for all we know and was unwilling to admit that it was he who had been irresponsible with it.

Together, she and I devised a plan. She would provide him with a new planner which ordinarily costs $5.00 to replace. Despite my offer to pay for this replacement (from my son’s own saved cash from birthdays and whatnot), she insisted upon giving it to him. I thanked her with a promise that my son would pay for any additional planners that may be needed should he “lose” one again. She also offered to take care of the notation in his planner from now on whether there is a daily assignment or not. In ink. In her writing. With her signature attached.

So now at least one problem has been tentatively solved. I know now that he will have a planner to bring home with honest information written in it. It remains to be seen if he will actually make it home with the planner on a daily basis.

When he disembarks from the bus today, I will have a whole new set of problems, however. I will have to talk to him about how he’s lied to me since the beginning of the school year.

Each day, I ask him about his “homework situation” to which he has consistently replied, “I only have reading.” No math? No social studies? No spelling? “Nope. I finished it at school.” Well, can I see it? “No. I left it at school because I finished it.” I was never sure I believed him even though I was told during that first conference with his homeroom teacher that if the students finished their homework during school hours they wouldn’t have to bring it home. The reason I was always skeptical about his assertion that he had no homework is that he was also present at this conference and made aware (by listening to my conversation with the teacher) that he wouldn’t have to do homework if it was “finished” during school. Instead of actually doing the homework, he just tells me that he already finished it.

With nothing written in his planner–and sometimes no planner at all–my feeling that he was being dishonest was on shaky ground to begin with. I don’t want him to be in that discouraging situation where everything he says is doubted even though it is a bed he himself has made and in which he must lie (no pun intended). Since school started this year, I’ve tried to stay on top of making sure he brings home this planner, but each time I flipped through it to look at the current day, there’s been nothing written. I’ve signed it, however, and sent it back to school with him. If he failed to bring it home, he would be restricted in any number of ways. One time, his bedtime was pushed up. Another time, he wasn’t allowed to play outside with his friends.

I’m a parent who believes that children should be introduced to the concept of self-discipline from as early an age as they are mentally prepared for it. As such, I am more inclined to encourage my son to participate in his own improvement than to fall back on the extra efforts of already-overloaded teachers. While I appreciate his math teacher’s willingness to write down my son’s assignments in his planner, I wonder how this will help him learn to do it on his own. Left to his own devices, can I ever hope that he’ll learn this valuable lesson? I don’t think so. The fact is, he just doesn’t want to do the work. He sees homework as an obstacle to his busy recreational schedule. So he doesn’t go outside to play if he can’t get schoolwork done. Homework also keeps him from that all-important all-new episode of “Xiaolin Showdown” that he’s been “waiting all month to see, Mom!” So I take away the privilege of watching TV if he can’t get schoolwork done. I tell him, “it isn’t the homework that’s keeping you from your free time; it’s you that’s keeping yourself from your free time by not showing any effort.” In one ear and straight out the other.

Is there any way to make homework more exciting? Is repetitious spelling homework ever fun? Can his self-confidence ever be so great that math homework is a breeze? These are all the rhetorical questions that tumble around in my mind. And in about 45 minutes, the bus will arrive and deposit my Precious Angel back into my arms. I love him, but I’m pissed at him. There will most likely be tears–from him. There might even be a slammed door–again, from him. But today, I will keep my cool. I will put forth my best efforts not to raise my voice. He knows I received that phone call from his teacher; she told me he was sitting right there (in fact, she got our home number from him). He will be expecting the worst. He will climb down from that bus with his defenses set on high. But I don’t want him to be scared to make mistakes because of what I’ll do; I’d rather he have enough confidence in his mother’s love for him that he can admit to any mistake–and participate in the correction of those mistakes–without fear.

Ahhh, the joys of being a parent… I can’t wait until I get to deal with School Officals of one sort or another…
Well, as you stated, his defenses are going to be on Red Alert, code blue, or whatever the top color is this day… You might want to consider not bombarding him right off the bat, maybe see if he brings it up instead… If this doesn’t work, shock n’awe might be the next preferred method… Maybe just unplugging the TV during the new Chinese Showdown thingy… That will get his attention, and then he will be forced to listen to you, while you explain your sided of being mad, upset, and let down (by far the worse of the three)…

No matter how you approach it, it probably won’t be pretty. As far as making learning fun, leapfrog makes many fun learning devices… Almost videogame like… He might not want to learn math right now (those multiplication tables are horrible), but the math he learns now will be the basis for the rest of his education…even into college if he goes that path…

God Speed, you brave soul… and let us know how it goes…

Sigh… If only they would put as much effort into just doing the work as they do into the deceit, no? I feel your pain. Yours sounds much like mine at that age. I wish I had some advice more miraculous that stay on top of him and don’t ever, ever give an inch.

FTR, mine quit high school at 17, bumped around for a few years then got his GED and continues working toward his AA which he will finish this year. He wants to transfer to the university and get a four-year degree. He’s 23.

Sometimes it works out okay.

There’s two kinds of kids (well, for this discussion, anyway.)

There’s the kind of kid who needs to learn how to organize by being demonstrated to, time and time again. This kid needs to have his assignments written down for him for six months, so he sees how it works, then he needs to start writing them himself but having it initialled by the teachers, indicating that he got it all. He needs to to sit there next to him at the dining room table, show him how to open his book, get out his pencil, rank his work in the order it needs to be done, do a piece, mark it off in his assignment book, give it to mom or dad to check for completeness and accuracy and then, with you still watching, put it in his binder, and go onto the next task. At the end of it, you sign his assignment notebook, and notes or permission slips that go back to school and then you watch him put the binder in his bag. He will still manage to lose stuff or not turn in stuff, but this will reduce those occurances.

(This is the kind of kid most teachers assume they have in their problem kid list. They need more supervision, more hands-on work from both parents and home. They need to be taught how to organize, and reminded to do it over and over and over.)

There’s another kind of kid (and I’m bordering on blasphemy here) for whom all of the above will backfire. This kid will dig his heels in and not play along. He may do all his work, or he may not. He’ll often leave the back of the worksheet undone, or do all the odd numbers but not the even, or do all the work and have it in his goddamn binder and simply not turn it in when asked. Why yes, WhyKid was one of these, why do you ask? The more we did to “help” him, the worse and worse it got.

So what finally worked? I gave up. Seriously. I sat him down and said, “Look, your homework is your job. I can’t make you do your homework any more than you can make me cook dinner or scrub the bathtub. If you want help, you’re welcome to ask for it, and I’ll be your coach. Do your homework or don’t do your homework. If you don’t do your homework, you’ll have to do sixth grade all over again, possibly more than once. That doesn’t mean I’m a bad mom, it means you’re not doing your homework. I will still love you if you fail. I will love you if you don’t go to college. I will love you if you drop out of school and become a drug addict - I may not want you in my life, but I’ll still love you.”

You know what happened? In two weeks, he brought 4 failing grades up to two A’s and 2 B’s. He and I started having fun together again. We like each other again. I know that the C he got in Language Arts is because he chose to get a C in Language Arts. His teachers tell me that every day he checks his gradebook online and does only enough of the homework to maintain the grade of his choice. You know what? FINE! As one teacher pointed out, “That’s a college level strategy, that is!”

My biggest problem was convincing myself that how my kid did in school was not a reflection of me as a mother or as a person. Once I got past the idea that I’d be viewed as a bad person if my son repeated a grade, then it was obvious - he’s making his own choices, and he’s the one living with the consequences. And, as it turned out, he’s perfectly capable of suceeding when he doesn’t feel like he has something to prove, or that I’ll only love him if he does well.

Parenting With Love and Logic . Get it. Read it. It will change your life.

You’re probably not going to like this, but the kid sounds like how I was, and if he has the same problem I did, the only thing that will work is medication. That doesn’t mean the kid is ADD, but if he is, there is nothing you can do without medication. If that’s the case, it’s got nothing to do with discipline, morals, honesty, schedules, or any of that other nonsense. And anybody who says a person w/ ADD doesn’t need meds is as logically well founded as Phred Phelps when he says that being gay is a choice.

I still cringe at my school memories from way back when. The fact is that most kids aren’t ADD, and yours probably isn’t, but his behavior sounds exactly like what I would have been doing in his shoes. Not even being able to copy down his assignments into the planner? That doesn’t sound like garden-variety laziness. And being told that I’m the problem never helped either. The only thing that ever helped was Ritalin (and now Concerta, instead), and I got that when I was 23 years old.

So, look into it. If the kid isn’t resistant to everything, if he wants to do well and all that, if he cares, and yes can’t still copy down the assignments, then that sounds pathological. I’m 37 and I still have trouble writing down messages & stuff. I can’t explain it and I don’t expect you to understand, but living in a paperwork society (and going digital has only allowed the paperwork to grow exponentially) when one’s brain isn’t wired that way is a terrible thing.

So, before you assume the worst, look into it.

Both my kids are homework slackers and lie like crazy about schoolwork. It’s great if a kid can have an epiphany like WhyNot’s, but for distractible kids many cant. IMO if you want him to graduate this year you had best put aside any notion about trusting your little angel. He will play you, and play you as long as he can.

Many Mom’s (not all), for whatever reason love to believe that their kids tell the truth, whereas in fact many (not all) kids lie like crazy. Last year I used to pick up my son from school occasionally, and we discussed how he was doing. I could smell the BS stink coming from his “no homework” & “finished it in school” proclamations a mile off, but I couldn’t pound it through my ex’s head that the reason our son never had homework was because he was blowing it off & lying about it. Well… I couldn’t until 2/3rds of the way through the school year when the teachers told us he was going to have to repeat the grade, and then it magically became my problem and I had to play enforcer dad for 4 months to get him (barely) to graduate, and each day after work I’d put aside anything else I was doing and go to my ex’s house, take apart his book bag, get the work arranged, and at least once a week go back to school (hope the janitors are still there) and get books he forgot in this locker, and then walk him through his lessons for 1-3 hours. On the few occasions I wasn’t able to make it to my ex’s he blew off the work that day and lied to his mother. It wasn’t a lot of fun for anyone.

If you want him to pass this year you need to put aside any thoughts that he will catch on to the to notion that he needs to be responsible. You will need to sit down and walk him through almost every assignment inch by inch, hour after hour. You will need to confirm his homework completion weekly with this teachers. It’s natural to feel resentful about this, but being hopeful he’s going to “catch on” is not (IMO) a realistic game plan.

Yes I’m cynical, but I have years of hands exhausting experience with this scenario. Despite native intelligence some kids just will not perform.

I’ve recently started writing special education publications. I’m not an expert by any means, but when I read your OP, cruel butterfly, I wondered if your son might have a specific learning disability such as dyscalculia. You said he’s very intelligent. Does he struggle in other subjects? Some children with learning disabilities stop doing assignments out of frustration. ADD, which js_africanus has already mentioned, sometimes accompanies a learning disability.

I don’t know whether this is the case with your son, but you may want to consider having him evaluated. If he does have a learning disability, your school district will work with you to develop an Individualized Education Plan (IEP) and make sure he gets any assistance he might need. Again, I’m not saying that this is necessarily the case – it’s just something to consider.

Good luck! Let us know how your conversation turns out. :slight_smile:

Wow, WhyNot, are you serious? I just cannot wrap my head around someone telling their kid to go ahead and be a failure. I can imagine my father’s eyes popping out of his head right now.

I am a lazy fuck, truly. If my parents hadn’t ridden my ass I would never have turned in homework ever. I would probably have never gone to law school. I cleaned up my act because my parents asked, and told me how much my educational success mattered to them. There was some screaming involved but there was also a lot of adult heart-to-heart talk about what it means to have an education and the quality of life I had grown used to, why my parents even moved to the US. That’s after I developed an adult-esque brain. At 12 they just rode my ass to do my homework.

I can’t imagine telling a child to go be a failure or thinking that you shouldn’t try to get your kids to go to college or achieve or choose mediocrity…just cannot do it. If I “chose” to get anything below a B+ my parents would have shipped me to reform school. If I got a C in something it’s because they expected me to be TRULY bad at the subject, not a choice-of-C situation. Less than the best of my capabilities is not a message I would have wanted to them to send to me, nor what I would ever send to my own children.

I think my parents would have probably committed hara-kiri if my sister and I hadn’t earned doctoral degrees. At least I chose the ghetto-est one possible.

I’m also getting an ADD vibe here. Have you ever had him tested?

I am serious, and it wasn’t a first choice. It was after all the other advice in the thread was tried and failed. ADD testing? Yep, negative. Disability? Yep, a minor language processing error, for which he recieves an hour a day in the “resource center”. IEP? Yep. Ride him like a cowboy? Oh, yeah. Punishments, removing privledges, no TV, no Gameboy, earlier bedtime, grounding? Yep, yep, yep and yep.

The thing was, in the end he’s a good kid who had somehow gotten the message that ALL we cared about was his school work, and he had the bit in his teeth. He wasn’t going to let us “win”, no matter how much it hurt him.

So I gave him his head. I admited, in a fully adult conversation, that I couldn’t control his behavior, and that he means more to me as a person then his grades on a report card. I was able to get on his side, offering him love and support, and let the natural consequences of his actions be their own “punishment.” I don’t have to be the bad guy anymore.

Turned out that was what he needed to hear. Can I guarantee that the OP’s kid is the same? No, I can’t. No more than anyone here can guarantee that it’s ADD or an LD or laziness. I’m just sharing one more anecdote, and I did so knowing it was likely to be unpopular.

I got a phone call from every one of his teachers that first month, astonished at the change in his behavior and work ethic. Honestly, to this day only one of them believes me that I “got him to straighten up” by letting go. The rest seem to think I beat him nightly or something.

Not everything works for every kid. This is what worked with mine.

But I’d also like to point out that there’s a world of difference between an inattentive parent who doesn’t give a shit and a caring, loving parent who acknowledges that her kid is a real person with goals and ideas of his own that may not be identical to her own. I like to think I’m the later.

Sure, maybe he won’t go to college. Maybe he’ll be fabulously happy as a carpenter. There’s far worse fates than being a happy blue-collar individual.

In response to all of you who have suggested that ADD could be the underlying culprit, I’ve always considered that. Very early on, when he started exhibiting anger and impulse-control issues, I figured it had more to do with the fact that his dad and I had recently split up than ADD because he wasn’t even in school yet. Plus, I’ve never wanted to be one of those parents who try to force doctors to prescribe medicine so that my child will stay out of my hair. Medication has resided near the bottom of my “solution” list for a long time, but it’s always been on The List.

As far as how it went when I got him off the bus today? I didn’t bring anything up about the conversation I had with his teacher. Instead, I smiled at him and asked how his day was. He and I remained quiet until we got to my office. I told him to bring his backpack inside with him, which he did without rolling his eyes.

When I asked him about his homework, he told me what the teacher had told me earlier this morning: this particular week, there was district-wide testing going on, and there was no daily homework. I asked to see his planner (now that he has one to show me). Inside, there was a notation in the teacher’s writing indicating that there was no homework assigned for today because of that testing, but off to the side, there was an assignment written by her. “Has homework from Monday pg. 129, #s 2, 6, 8-10, 12-19, 21, 24-26 We will grade this tomorrow (Friday-9/22/06)

Finally, I say to myself. Here we have some math homework. Then my son says to me, “I forgot my math book at school, though.”

“How could you forget your math book when it was your math teacher who called me this morning?” I ask.

“Well, I had other things on my mind.” he replies.

“Well,” I say, “We’re going back to your school to get that book.”

He says, “I don’t wanna go back to the school.”

“Why not? The assignment says it’s to be graded tomorrow. As in the day after today.”

So I called the school to make sure that there was still someone there. Several teachers were still finishing up their day. I live about 15 or so miles outside of town, so I told the lady who answered the phone that I could make it in about 10 minutes. On the way, I told my son that I would be glad to make a trip to his school after he got off the bus every single day if I had to in order to make sure he had everything he needed to do his homework. He was a little surprised about this. Then I added: “but you’ll owe me $2.00 per trip from your savings.” I got to see a real-life demonstration of “crestfallen” when he reacted to that.

Anyway, we got to the school and proceeded to his homeroom. His homeroom teacher was still there grading papers or something. I poked my head in and told her that my son had forgotten his math book. As I entered the room and walked toward his desk with him, she told me that she had been having the same type of problem with him as the other teacher. She asked me if I had received some particular papers (notes and such). Of course, I hadn’t. His desk area was a wreck with crumpled-up pieces of paper hanging out, broken pencils and crayon remnants resting precariously on the edge, and half-finished paper airplanes wedged in between library books. I made some effort to straighten things up until his teacher mentioned that the whole class was going to clean their desks tomorrow before school let out.

After much searching, Little Butterfly failed to locate the most recent spelling word list. His teacher tore one out of an extra book and handed it to him. We gathered up his math book, the spelling list, a binder full of loose-leaf notebook paper, and those library books I mentioned before. I thanked his teacher for letting me know what was going on, and we made our way to the car.

On the drive home, I calmly talked to him about how truly possible it could be that he may not make it out of the fourth grade. I told him that as he gets older and goes on to higher and higher grades in school, the more that teachers and his parents were going to expect out of him. I reminded him that in third grade, he had managed to pull out a decent GPA by the end of the year, but that it was largely because of mine and my husband’s intensive involvement in every aspect of his schooling. I reminded him that we, as parents, should expect to become a little less involved in the day to day homework grind as the years go by.

After my husband and I spoke before he went to work, I brought up the subject of looking into medication and/or counseling to my son. Little Butterfly immediately turned away and announced that he didn’t want to talk about it. I tried to reassure him that (A) the medicine doesn’t make you a different person; it makes you a better person, and (B) no one has to know that you’re taking it (if that’s what he was worried about). He seemed to calm down a little.

So here I am, typing this response to everyone who was nice enough to respond to me, and trying to keep my son focused on those math problems I listed. I’ve already had to go back through “how to tell time” with him…sigh
Oh, and WhyNot? I, for one, thought your approach to your own kid’s problems was great…and courageous. :slight_smile:

I think you did great, WhyNot. There are some kids who need you to ride them until they can manage, and some who need to take responsibility for their own lives a little sooner than you expect. Good for you for recognizing the difference when you ran into it.

I agree that every kid needs a different parenting style and keep in mind that I grew up in a completely different cultural context. I’m happy your son made the turnaround.

My parents both come from extremely impoverished backgrounds (like 3rd world poverty) and are both very educated professionals. I honestly could not get away with much where school was concerned-to them there was nothing worse than being unambitious. My parents gave me 3 possible careers to choose from-law, medicine, CPA/MBA. That’s IT. They consider that “liberal”.

Then again, I don’t come to dope to read about other high-strung ethnic types.

Good luck, cruel butterfly. I think your son is lucky to have such a caring parent.

You mean, he can’t tell time and he’s in the fourth grade? I remember being ashamed at having trouble at that in first grade (before digital clocks were common, even) when my classmates seemed to catch on fine. I’m wondering if dyscalculia isn’t a possibility. A friend of mine only discovered hers after she was out of high school; she was trying to pass off swapping the numbers in a page number of a musical score as just being a ditz, but her instructor told her seriously that he suspected she actually had a problem. She’d shown throughout school that she could grasp physics concepts easily, but bombed out even on easy math.

That’s not entirely true. Only about two thirds of the people diagnosed with ADD derive any measureable benefit from medication and even of those many still display ADD-like behaviors. And even with mediation (which attenuates the attentional distraction that is the primary complaint of ADD) the problem won’t magically go away; the child still has to learn organizational skills and unlearn confrontational/defeatist behaviors that may have been developed as a protective response to criticisms and difficulties in dealing with school and authority. Many people learn to cope and even thrive without medication. That’s not to say that medication can’t be useful as a tool, but it is neither absolutely essential nor a panacea when dealing with ADD.

What doesn’t work is punishment and conflict. Discipline is appropriate and necessary but the child needs to learn self-discipline, which is true with all children but moreso with a child that is easily distracted. The best way to cope is to set up systems and rituals and to follow them relligiously; for instance, having binders for each subject and having to put assignments in them immediately when receiving them (so as not to forget them at school) and doing the homework in order. You also have to account for the attentional difficulties, of course; telling someone with ADD to focus in on something that bores them for a long period of time is like telling someone who is short to just keep trying to reach the item on the top shelf. Instead, you have to allow for the fact that their mind is going to wander; either you need to figure out how to make it a game (when doing arithmatic as a child, I always like to pretend I was making course calculations for a spaceship or somesuch) or teach them an action-reward scheme (“I’ll study for fifteen minutes, then play a short game of solitare.”) Again, the scheme needs to be self-directed, not imposed from outside, lest it turn into a passive-aggressive type of conflict.

[post=6453013]Here’s[/post] an old post I wrote on the topic that some people found helpful, in which I try to describe what it’s like and how to cope. Delivered From Distraction is also a good general audience book to read on the topic, and Hallowell is equitable about pharmacological treatment. It’s not an insurmountable problem, and there can be benefits (ADD people tend to be very perceptive about their environment or at least parts of it, and the ability to hyperfocus on a subject of interest can enhance comprehension if it can be directed), but it does take a different approach than the old-school “buckle down and study”, which is just frustrating for someone who can’t maintain attentional focus.

Of course, this is all assuming that your child has ADD. Certainly nobody here, nor a general educator without diagnostic experience, can determine this. If you think that your child displays a significant degree of attentional difficulty, the thing to do is to have the appropriate diagnostic testing done, either by the school district or privately by a child psychologist or professional diagnostician. The time and cost of doing so is negligible compared with the conflict and likely underachievement of an otherwise bright child. Note that the goal shouldn’t be to have your son get special treatment or placed in a remedial classroom, but to teach him how to cope with the expectations in school and beyond.

Good luck to you.

Stranger

That’s the same thing I said to him when he came to me with this one. I said, “How can you not know how to tell time today, but you knew how to tell time last year?” His response: “Well, that was third grade!”

But allow me to clarify and maybe nip in the bud any fears about possible dyscalculia that have been mentioned…not that I’ve had him tested, but I’m pretty sure, based on observing his work (and his art, which is usually filled with numbers), he doesn’t have it…

His inability to tell the time on his current math assignment doesn’t mean that he has some kind of Einstein-ish inability to grasp simple math. He just simply forgot which hand meant what, couldn’t find the words to articulate that, and tried to fall back on the easiest excuse he could think of. The same thing happens every. single. time I ask him to tell me what 7 times 3 is. He would rather spend hours in front of the TV or folding paper airplanes or drawing.

His problem is that he doesn’t necessarily retain anything he does. I can make him write a multiplication problem like 9 X 4 ten times on a piece of paper, ask him 30 minutes later what 9 X 4 is, and he will have totally forgotten. It’s like his brain is made of tapioca sometimes. Once I remind him of the method behind, say, borrowing in a subtraction problem, he will remember right away and come up with the right answer, but tomorrow, if I ask him to duplicate it, he won’t be able to until I remind him yet again. If there is a name for that, I’m perfectly willing to look into it, but I suspect that a lot of it is simply laziness coupled with being easily distracted.

True and true. One damaging myth out there is that ADD boys are always hyperactive; I wasn’t diagnosed because they didn’t know that non-hyperactive ADD existed. A little while back, a woman in my township, with whom I’ve had a very bad relationship, learned that her 16-year old son had the diagnosis, so she came to me and I gave her the dope. Recently, she came in to tell me that he had started taking Concerta and the difference was night and day.

For the OP, it’s true that most kids aren’t ADD and that yours probably isn’t. What is true is that the danger of a false negative is devastating. As I noted above, your kid sounds just like I was, and I encourage you to give it a whirl. You need a professional doctor who is quite experienced in the subject, because myths pervade even the ostensibly credible. I must, with all due respect, say that the no-meds option for ADD is bullshit. ADD is a physical disorder; by way of analogy, treating ADD without drugs is akin to treating schizophrenia with Freudian analysis. You can be on the couch all you want, you can learn to tell yourself that the fist-sized spiders charging out of the drain in the kitchen sink are just hallucinations, and you can convince your mind that the voices are not giving good advice; however, if you have schizophrenia, drugs and only drugs will get rid of the hallucinations

ADD has to do with the structure of the brain, pure and simple, and to put a kid up against that without the help of drugs is akin to demanding a schizophrenic deal with the disorder while being deprived of the meds necessary to deal moderate the problem.

I once lived with a woman who had two uteruses (I have no idea how to properly pluralize “uterus”). When she reached menarche, one uterus didn’t have a connection to the vagina (proper term?), and so with each mensturation, it became more pressurized with blood that could go nowhere. After a time, the suffering was unbearable, and she couldn’t sleep or function during the day. Her parents were Christian Scientists. It wasn’t until she was on the brink of death until her parents caved and took her to a doctor.

Refusing a kid with ADD the proper meds is the moral equivalent of refusing a dopamine inhibitor to a schizophrenic, or refusing surgery to a helpless girl with one uterus too many. But suppose it were true that behavioral therapy could help (which it does, as long as the kid remains in therapy), that still wouldn’t solve the problem of being inside the brain of someone with ADD. It is fucking torture. Having ADD feels like Flowers for Algernon: there’s so much native ability there, that you can see and nearly touch, that you can almost tap into—you know it’s so close that you should be able to grasp it—but you can’t. Everybody gets to enjoy their brain, however incompetent it may be, but the ADD brain is nothing a constant taunting of what you might do, but cannot. If you can’t imagine the torture of having a brain you can see, but cannot use, then you have to take my word for it when I say it is hell.

A physical problem trumps all. Period. If you’ve been wondering for so long, and with the kid sounding so familiar, then go to a well-experienced doctor in the field and have him checked out. No matter what happens, the result is good: if the kid is ADD, you have a course of action; if the diagnosis is negative, then you have a more narrowed field of options to choose from, which is good for you.

I think your parents are related to mine… hi there, cousin anu-la!