So I'm leaving for Italy on Saturday and need some advice...

First of all, what do I wear on the plane? We fly overnight from Atlanta to Milan, so I want to be comfy, but I don’t want to look like a slob when I get there.

Should I pack light and try to do laundry while I’m there? We are staying two weeks, but it’s a guided tour and we only get one suitcase. We are staying in nice hotels, but at most 2-3 nights at each hotel.

I’m more nervous than exicted about this trip at the moment. I’m going with my mom and sister. Mom paid for the whole thing or I wouldn’t be able to go. It’s really her trip and I’m happy to have been invited along, but I haven’t been away from my son for this long, nor this far. I’m nervous.

If anyone has any advice or even just thoughts or stories to relate, I’d be very grateful.

You’re going to look and feel sloppy when you got off the plane regardless, so where whatever makes you comfortable. I had a pair of stretchy pants and a nice t-shirt.

Do pack light! When I went, I was with 20 other people and I was the only one who didn’t have 40 bags to carry along. Hotels in Italy don’t have elevators from the ground floor to the 1st floor (and I wouldn’t count on them at all) plus if you’re going all over Italy, you’re going to be dragging them onto trains, which is a major pain in the ass. There are laundromats all over the place in Florence and Rome (that’s where I was) but you know what you could do? Pack a small box or baggie of clothes detergent and wash your socks/underwear/etc in the sink. Your hotel might (probably) have a nice heating rack you can hang things on to dry.

Be prepared for the fact that everybody will charge you for everything. Drink a lot of wine while you’re there because it’s all good. Drink a lot of coffee because that’s all good. And the Italians don’t fuck around when it comes to gelato, so eat a lot of that as well.

I spent 17 days in Rome and Florence this January, so if you have specific questions about either city, feel free to ask. I really, really, really, really miss Rome. As I mentioned in a thread before, I consider my time in the States to be a temporary exile now.

You can wash your clothes in the sink (it works if you don’t care about doing too good a job or about your clothes being wrinkled), but know that it will take them a full day or more to dry. Ignore the sign by the sink that says “Washing Clothes in Sink is Prohibited,” no one will care. Also, most big cities will have drop off/pick up laudromats so you don’t have to worry about leaving your group. Your hotel might even offer the service – they’ll at least be able to direct you to the closest place. However, trying to figure out a foreign washer/dryer w/ foreign instructions is an experience every traveller should have just once.

Personally I wouldn’t carry around 2 weeks worth of clothes. You will find out very quickly that it was a bad idea. I’d recommend 4 or 5 days worth of clothes with a couple of evening outfits at the most.

What evening outfits?

This is Europe… :rolleyes:

unless you’re going with some kind of tour operator with big nights planned, going to a casino or the opera, jeans with a nice blouse is fine. Actually… for the opera, if you have one of the high cheap seats, jeans with a nice blouse is still fine! (btdt and nobody raised an eyebrow, most of the people in my kind of seats were dressed similarly)

Make sure to carry more film than you think you’ll need (or more disposable cameras), unless you’re completely allergic to pics you’ll take a LOT more than you thought you would. Lots of things that are everyday and boring for an Italian will be enormous novelties for you. Those people have so many pretty old churches that 90% of them don’t get marked in maps.

We’re in the middle of a horrible cold wave, so bring warm clothes. A raincoat is a good idea (I just checked out the weather in EuroNews and Italy is kind’a soaked right now). In theory the cold wave was over a month ago, but by now even the talking heads are looking at the weatherman and saying “are you serious or was that for a ha-ha?” whenever they promise good weather. You can make do with 3 or 4 sweaters and a good number of Tshirts/shirts/blouses.

Make sure to have two or three pairs of shoes/boots that are good for walking. High sneakers are good, the kind that includes the ankle (but of course, you have to tie them all the way up!). Don’t even try to walk in the kind of shoes Italian women wear - they’re usually small with long feet and take advantage of that to the fullest. Or highest. Or something.

When I’m away for two weeks, all I wash is my underwear (in the sink, of course. What sign? Oh, that sign, I thought it was for decoration). Giving your clothes to the hotel will be more expensive than buying new ones, laundry rates at hotels are always ridiculous but Italy takes the cake.

If you want a salad or veggies, that’s the second dish, not the first.

If you’re packing light, don’t take jeans-- they take up a hell of a lot more room than slacks and the like. Take as many underwear as you can-- don’t skimp-- and nice t-shirts or something-- you can layer the same thing over them day in and day out. Bidets are your friend. Are you a girl? Panty liners! Make your undies last multiple days.
Laundry machines in Europe are expensive and very different from what you are used to and will make you scratch your head for longer than is worth it.
Take lots of band-aids for your poor feet. You’re a tourist-- I’d just take one pair of like comfy dark colored cross-trainer style shoes or low hikers-- not nice but not white tennis shoes.
Seafood pizzas (of the ‘frutti di mare’ type) are surprisingly good. Reserve train seats or spring for the 1st class carriages-- Italy is the one place where I’ve seen trains absolutely fill up, even on overnight junckets.
If things get tough or wierd or embarassing just smile and think of how you’ll look back on this and laugh-- a smile and a laugh and a bit of self-deprecating forehead-slapping will clear up most misunderstandings, and put you back in the right mood. Think of it as a comical adventure where things are bound to get zany.

Never tell the waiters “This tastes better at Olive Garden.” :wink:

The people in my group actually said many times, “Man, I can’t wait to get some real food at the Olive Garden.”

I spent most of the time there alone, instead of with the Living American Stereotypes.

Thanks for all the info. This is great. I emailed your answers to my mom and sis.

We are taking a Perillo Tour so we won’t have to worry about carrying our bags or catching trains. Of course it will be very clear to everyone when we get off the little red tour bus that we are American Tourists. My mom, sis and myself are determined not to be like the stereotype.

I’ve never been on a “tour” like this, does anyone here have experiences with being part of a tour group?

The best investment I made before I went was in a couple of pairs of Smartwool socks. They’re $10-12 dollars a pair (at least they were for me), but well worth it. They wick moisture away from your feet and thus cut down on friction, preventing a lot of blisters. I did nothing but walk for two weeks, and I didn’t have a single blister. They’re also thick and sturdy, and stand up to multiple wearings far more than regular socks.

The other investment that I made was in a nice fleece pullover, the kind that doesn’t absorb a lot of moisture. (Mine was from LL Bean.) It’s a warm pullover, it’s a place to sit on the ground, it’s an instant pillow.

I had no issues at all with laundromats anywhere I went; they were readily available, inexpensive, and fairly self-explanatory. They sometimes had an attendant who took care of everything for you, and it still wasn’t that expensive. Be forewarned, though–most of the dryers I used dried an entire load of clothes in fifteen minutes, so don’t take anything that you couldn’t wear if it were a size smaller.

Don’t worry about looking like an American tourist–you really can’t avoid it. I found that a lot of the people in the major cities and more tourist-prone areas of Italy spoke at least some English, and they were happy to do so, as long as you at least tried to speak some Italian with them first. I would see people walk up to a native and say, loudly, “DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? ENGLISH?”, only to be met with a blank stare. I would go up to the same person and say, “Mi scusi, parle inglese?”, and he’d say, “Yes, can I help you with something?”

Have a good time. I am extremely jealous.

Please tell me you aren’t flying on Alitalia. I don’t think I could sleep tonight if you were. Worst Airline Ever and I have flown the all and I am not picky.

Have fun, this sounds like a great trip for you and your mom and your sis.

My advice for the plane is to dress in comfortable layers. Sometimes it can get chilly on the plane, so you would want a nice heavy sweater, and I would suggest a cardigan, because it’s easier to get on and off than a pullover. The airline gives you blankets, but I’ve always found them to be a little light. Comfortable shoes that you can easily slip off are helpful, and bring a pair of slippers or clean, heavy socks.

I’m a little old-fashioned in this regard, but I personally am not nuts about wearing sweatpants and the like on the plane. Plenty of people do, and there is nothing really wrong with it, it is certainly comfortable, but (again, personally) I don’t like looking like I’m wearing my pyjamas in public. You will see people wearing sweats on the plane, and in my experience, they are most often Americans. I will however take a stand on icky socks (not to imply that you, personally, have icky socks), I have been amazed at people who take off their shoes on the plane, to reveal their icky, hole-ridden, stinky socks. Hence my advice on the slippers.

For Italy itself, I absolutely agree with capybara that even though laundromats are plentiful, it’s more hassle and time than it’s worth. I suggest carefully planning the clothing you pack, so that you can get the most use from the fewest amount of clothes. Khaki slacks are great for this, also, if you have one or two sweaters in neutral colors. The things I would bring the most of are socks, underwear, and T-shirts, and also a few turtlenecks. If you are a woman, bring a few pairs of heavy tights, they are also good for wearing under your slacks because …

I am always cold in Italy at this time of the year. Many places are not heated as warmly as Americans are generally used to, so having your failsafe sweater is helpful. Bring something warm to sleep in, and again, slippers and heavy socks. If you are visiting a lot of churches or historical sites, like castles, they are usually quite chilly inside, and the stone floors can make it feel like the cold is creeping directly into your feet. I second the suggestion of a waterproof rain jacket, and a travel (compact, small) umbrella. It might be helpful to bring a waterproof tote bag folded up in your luggage, this is also good if you purchase some souvenirs and need an additional bag for the trip home. It is great if this is the kind with the zipper because …

Italy, I have found, is generally a very safe country, but there are unsavory people who target tourists, and as you mentioned, you will be getting on and off a tour bus. Pickpocketting is an art form, you will not notice right away if you are a victim of this crime. I recommend carrying bags that zip securely. Do not carry all your cash in the same place – keep some emergency cash in an inside pocket, that sort of thing. If you carry an over-the-shoulder type of bag, carry it so your bag is slung in front of you, not behind you.

Check the exchange rate offered by your credit card, in many cases, you can get a (slightly) better rate charging things to your credit card, so even if you tend to be a “cash on the barrelhead” person, charging can be to your benefit. Visa is most widely accepted in Italy, although the other major credit cards are fairly easy to use.

It looks like a really nice tour! Here are a few quite thoughts about the cities on the tour:

Venice – gorgeous, but strangely a very tourism-based town. Every shop will have the same things for sale. All seafood in Venice is great, this is the place to take advantage of eating seafood.

Milan – has the best (IMHO) higher-end (like high fashion) shopping. I think Milan is a little pricey, myself.

Florence – this is the city I know the best. One nice thing about Florence is that you can pick up some very nice souvenirs in the open-air markets, they are cheap, cheap, cheap, but the quality of items is generally very good. The markets sell designer knock-offs, which are fun to buy, and the actual quality of said items is much better than what you think of when you imagine an American designer knock-off. The best gelatto is sold at Vivoli (ths is the most important thing to know about Italy), the second best at Gran Ducca. Gran Ducca is more centally located. It is your moral obligation to sample all the gelatto available to you so you can make informed comparisons. :slight_smile: You mentioned you have a son, and Florence has a lot of neat children’s toys and other kid-popular items. People talk about bartering in the markets, but I have always found this to be dubious advice. The prices are generally reasonable to begin with, and the vendors’ goal is usually to get you in and out quickly. The best way to get a price reduced is to buy in bulk – if you, Mom and sis are all buying handbags, for example, get them at the same place and you can usually get the price lowered for the lot.

Pisa (and I suspect this is especially true of Pisa on a guided tour) is mostly about the Tower, as it should be. They aren’t kidding, that thing is leaning! (It’s more alarming when you see it in person.) There are about a million Pisa gift shops/stands in the area, the stuff is mostly junky and over-priced.

Rome – very fun, modern and ancient at the same time, very fast, cosmopolitan, urban pace. Rome can be overwhelming, I would plan to take care of all of my shopping and things like that before Rome, especially if it is toward the end of your tour, you might be a little tuckered out by the time you get to Rome.

One weird thing – it looks, from the web site you linked to, that you are on your own for lunch. I would suggest that you keep fairly low expectations for lunch. In Italy, the general thought (one that I share) is that a good meal is not worth having unless it’s four courses and two wines and takes at least two hours to eat. “Lunch on the go” is not inherently part of the Italian culture, and most places near major tourist attractions are understandably catering to tourists. You know how you can often eyeball a restaurant and its menu and make an accurate guess if it’s the sort of thing you would like? This ability is cultural (I have developed a whole theory about this), and won’t work for you in Italy (I mean, if you’re not Italian)-- it took me years to be able to pick up the “feel” of a restaurant in Italy, so don’t be too bummed out if you end up picking a not-so-great spot for lunch. Your tour guide people will probably be helpful with this, based on what other people have liked in the past.

Pizza is a good, quick lunch, although very different from American pizza. Likewise, coffee and Italian pastry makes a great lunch. Or more gelatto. Hey, it’s vacation! Sandwiches are also available aplenty, although when people rave about great Italian food they gnerally aren’t talking about the sandwiches. This is not to say that you won’t get great sandwiches or other lunches in Italy, but it’s really the luck of the draw, you will probably also end up with some bland sandwiches. I would suggest light lunches, and save your appetite for dinner. Ham in Italy is an art, if you like ham (and pork in general), this will be great. If you don’t eat pork for religious or other reasons, it’s important to ask very clearly first – they sneak pork into a lot of things that you might not think would contain pork.

What we think of as “green salad” is ensalata verde in Italy – to Italians, this literally means just the salad greens, so generally just lettuce. I know a lot of people who were surprised upon receiving a bowl of lettuce. A garden salad is ensalata mista (“mixed”) and what you probably want. Oh! Get French fries, especially in Florence. Some Americans avoid them because they think “oh, I will look like an American tourist if I order French fries.” However, they are prepared with olive oil, very light, and if you are a French fry fan, absolutely great and different from American fries. This is a good side dish to order for the table. A lot of places also offer platters with fried potatoes, zucchini, and any other veggies they have around – this is very good. Many restaurants will serve just the entree, and expect you to order veggies as side dishes, this is especially true of pasta. You just get pasta, and if you want salad or anything else, you need to order it. Water is generally served in the bottle, and there is a charge for it – but often, restauarnts assume you want it (because all Italians want it) and put it on your table. If you open the bottle, you are charged (it’s reasonable). If you leave it unopened, eventually they will take it away. Specify whether you want still (flat) water “sin gas” or fizzy (sparkling) water “con gas.” There’s nothing wrong with drinking tap water, but it isn’t done so much, and because water is local, the tap water will most likely taste odd to you.

Preach sister! My opinion exactly.

Another little piece of advice: forget about bringing any device that needs to be plugged in, it will be no use. Even if, like us, you have some 220 V devices (we are an mixed-continents couple) you will have to purchase a three-prong adapter.

Ah, and enjoy it. Nobody should die without having seen Rome.

I envy you.

Lord, where to start? I normally would second what other people said about packing light, but since you’re on an organized tour, where they’ll be handling the baggage, I’d tend to pack a bit heavier with some more options. T-shirts are great for wearing under a thicker sweater or something. That will let you get several days wear out of an outer wear article of clothing. Don’t take anything that requires fancy cleaning, or special methods of washing. Good chance it won’t come back to you right. When I travel, I usually tend to not worry about money, so I most often have my stuff washed at the hotel. Taking a look at the hotels that are a possibility on your tour, they all look fairly decent, and I think I’ve actually stayed at a couple of them myself. So if you have the extra funds, just leave your laundry in the morning in whatever container they give you, and by the time you get home in the evening, you’ll have nice clean clothes.

Looks like you might have that dinner and dancing night out, plus it talks like some of the places you’ll be eating dinner are nicer establishments. I’d make sure I have at least one nice sweater or warm top that you can wear out at night, and a good “evening wear” outfit for the last night of the tour.

Take the most comfortable pair of walking shoes you have. Trust me you have no idea how much walking you’re in for. Also like the suggestion above about the wicking socks. Anything that you can wear that will reduce the chance of blisters is a good thing.

Make up a little medicine kit for yourself. I’ll usually take a couple doses of a cold and sinus medicine, some Dramamine (especially since you’re traveling by bus), Imodium in case you get diarrhea, and various forms of aspirin or Motrin. As you’re going to be on a bus, I’d also suggest a couple of packages of those pocket tissues in case the bus bathroom runs out of toilet paper. Also take something to occupy yourself on the long bus rides you’re going to have. A book…deck of cards…something. While the scenery is just beautiful, there will be times when you’ll be tired of looking at it.

Like another poster said…take more film than you’ll think you’ll need. You’ll probably use all of it. On our first trip to Italy, we did Rome - Pompeii - Venice - Florence - Rome in about 13 days, and went through 28 rolls of film. Plus 400 digital pictures. There is just so much to see that you can’t even imagine. If you’ve never been to Europe, and especially Italy before, you can’t imagine how different it is, and how much you’ll want to capture. Plus I go with the old adage that in order to have 1 great picture, you have to have a hundred so-so ones. We have some absolutely stunning pictures, but only because we took so many that the odds favored us having at least a few great ones.

I wouldn’t pack a hair dryer, most of your hotels should have one.

If you have a video camera, don’t film more than 2 minutes any any one location. I’ve seen more people that spent their entire time in one spot trying to run the camera, that they forgot to just stop and look around at the beauty of the spot they were in.

Now on to specific advice about some of your stops:

Looks like you have a half day to yourself in Venice. Venice is…just different is the only word I can use to describe it. It’s very very easy to get lost wandering down the tiny little side streets and alleys. There are some great shopping things that you can do there that I highly recommend that you pick up. The handmade lace is just fabulous, and at a reasonable price. Even in the touristy areas, I considered it a good deal to get a lovely 4’x6’ hand-made lace table cloth with 8 napkins for $60. Also the glass items are a steal. Trust me I was floored to see the tiny orchestra set made in glass here in the states for about 4 times what I saw it for in Venice. I wouldn’t worry about trying to get to Marano Island, as it’s not that much cheaper (and sometimes more expensive). There’s some good shopping around the Rialto bridge, and while some is overpriced, also some good deals if you look around. Also just off the Rialto is an old church that’s been converted into a museum/concert hall where they give performances of Vivaldi’s “Four Seasons”, it’s a must do if you at all like classical music. Simply beautiful to sit in the old church lit by candles and see these performs play with a passion that’s stirring even to one as musically challenged as I.
Florence - I wasn’t as fond of Florence as I was of Rome and Venice, mostly because it looks more modern. But there are still some great sights to see. Lots of walking here, and expect some lines to form in places. Especially to see “David”. A few things that I’d try and catch if you can. The Uffizi Gallery is most likely going to be either too long a wait, or too big for you to see. But the piazza right outside the entrance has some great statues around it, as well as a lot of street vendors.

I climbed to the top of the dome of the Duomo and while it was difficult in places, the views from the top were well worth it. Also, right behind the Duomo, there’s a small museum (Museo dell’Opera del Duomo) that has some of the original stone work from inside the church, the original bronze doors to the Baptistery, and a great wood sculpture of Mary Madeline done by Donatello (I think), well worth an hour to walk through. The Ponte Vecchio in interesting to walk across, it gives a great view of the river, and is right down from the Uffizi. Also when you see “David”, expect the museum operators to shout “No Photos” very loudly at the merest hint of a camera. Now with most works of art, I can understand this…but it’s a block of stone, that was sitting outside for 50 years, then stored in a damp dark space where it grew moldy for another 80 years or so. My camera really isn’t going to cause that much damage I’m fairly certain.

Rome - My god what is there to say about Rome? I’ve been to Rome 4 times now, and I’ve still barely scratched the surface of what to see/do. A few things that I’d put on my “must see” list for the day that you have to yourself.

Pantheon - Just an incredible structure, nestled in amongst the other buildings, it’s amazing to turn a corner, and see it standing there. Larger than you first think, but fairly empty on the inside. There’s a great little restaurant right across from it called “La Rotunda” that my wife and I always eat at. Not too terrible touristy, and a great place to sit outside and people watch. Just down the street from the Pantheon, is Piazza Navana and the Four Rivers Fountain. This is a great piazza to walk around in, especially at dusk when the performers come out. Lots of local artists, and a great place to enjoy a gelato and look at what’s available.

An interesting site is the pyramid of Cestius located right next to the Protestant cemetery where Keats and Shelly are buried. While you can’t go in it, there’s something very surreal about stumbling across this fairly large pyramid in the middle of the city. It’s quite a haul to walk there, so I suggest taking a taxi. If you can go inside the Protestant cemetery, the view is much better in there.

Nero’s Palace, this just opened not that many years ago. It’s located close to the Coliseum and is very interesting. It’s all underground and cold inside, so wear something warm. From what I remember, after Nero’s death he was so hated by the populace, that his house was totally buried, instead of being torn apart. This leads to a remarkable state of preservation. A lot of buildings and sites in Rome, and other places in Italy have been “restored” so much the original is barely discernable, but Nero’s palace is just as it was discovered and excavated. A great walking tour that takes about an hour. Again, no photo’s allowed inside.

The Vatican Museum is huge…just huge. Expect there to be more there than you can take in during one trip. Sisten Chapel is beautiful, but no photo’s allowed. Be sure and take a moment to just look at St. Peters from the outside. It’s just huge. Breathtaking symbol of the Catholic Faith. Even if you’re not Catholic, stop by the Vatican store to one side, and pick up a half dozen rosaries blessed by the Pope (Beats me if they really are or not) they make great, thoughtfull gifts to anyone you know that’s Catholic.

Skip the Spanish Steps…they’re steps…really not all that interesting. Especially as you’ll be there too early for any of the flowers to be blooming.

Try and get to the Trevi fountain. It’s another item that’s sort of tucked away in a back corner…a huge elaboratly carved fountain in this tiny little plaza. Another good place to get a gellato and sit for a while. Be sure and throw a coin into the fountain while facing away from it, as it ensure’s that you’ll return to Rome someday (hey, it’s worked for me every time). It’s not that far from the Pantheon, so if you’re trying not to backtrack, I’d go Trevi fountain -> Pantheon - > Piazza Navana.

Get an easily read map of Rome…as it’s easy to get turned around sometimes and loose your way.

“Ciao” is used more in southern Italy, so more often you should probably say “Arrivederci” and “buon giorno” (Good bye and Good Day)
All in all, you’re going to have a great time. I don’t tend to like organized tours myself as I like the freedom to explore things on my own. However you’ll benefit from having someone knowledgeable to ask questions of. I would advise trying to read through a few books on the specific locations that you’ll be visiting, so you know what to look for, and some hidden treasure’s not to miss. Have fun, take lots of pictures, and don’t let it be overwhelming.

Wow! You guys are the greatest. I’m am so much less nervous about this trip now. All of your comments have been great. My mom and sis say thanks. I emailed them the posts and they are very happy for the info as well.

BTW, we’re flying Delta, not Alitalia. I’ve only ever flown British Airways over seas, and I’ve only flow Delta once in like the 80’s. So I don’t even know what to expect from them.

Oh, and unless you have money to burn, and really really want to do it, I’d skip the gondola ride in Venice. Way overpriced. My wife and I did it, but as I said before, I tend to splurge while on vacation.

Also check out this thread that asks for similar advice about Rome. There may be something else there that was mentioned that catches your eye.

Good luck. We thought we were flying Delta from Boston to Milan. Tickets said Delta on them… and Delta sent us over to check in at Alitalia. Definitely the worst flight of our lives (return trip was not so bad).

That flight felt longer than my Los Angeles to Sydney flight!

Good advice from all, especially Atrael.

Rome is just about my favorite city in Europe.

The Pantheon is a special place and not to be missed. I’ve visited it (and Piazza Navona) every time I’ve been to Rome, and every time the Panthon just feels so ancient and holy. Agree with Atrael’s advice and suggestions for the rest of your tour.

It is a bit early, but you might consider trying some Insalata Caprese. :slight_smile:

Have flown Alitalia twice and never had serious problems. Have had more problems with British Airways but I still like them.

Have a wonderful time, Rhiannon.

i lived in italy for a couple of years…just make sure to have fun and don’t eat anything near the city center if you want a good meal. find yourself a real family restaurant and stick to the vino rossa della casa

2 words: Lemon gelato. (it’s the best)