Huh?
Parody dear, parody…
I agree it was threadshitting and I tried, obviously unsucessfully, to show how one might threadshit any ATMB thread by disagreeing with the basis others might have for being interested in the subject.
It was threadshitting, and Ellen’s response of noting someone for pointing that out while encouraging the threadshit to continue seems obviously wrong.
Mockfarting - not quite shitting, but ripping a wet one nevertheless.
Must be something about women and surf that just creates waves. Roxy Pro Biarritz 2013 Official Teaser slammed by critics as ‘sexploitation’.
Color me whooshed!
:o
I would still be interested to hear some mod opinions further to those expressed in the thread.
Seems to me a simple question. Was it threadshitting or not?
If it wasn’t, it raises interesting questions about what threadshitting actually is.
If it was, why did the mod not only allow it, but seemingly condone it?
[QUOTE=Diosa]
Ermergerd! Lady butts! Stop that before I lose it and blow one in my jorts! BRB taking a screen shot and posting this to my favorite message board to show them that I like nakie ladies. Because butts!!!
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that pretty crass. She reduced every guy in that thread to creaming their shorts, and then throws in a dash of condescension to boot.
And looking back on these posts and a few I made over on the Giraffeboard, I’m not sure exactly what got me so irritated last night (I made like 5 posts between both boards in like 40 minutes), but I wanted to apologize to Diosa.
In retrospect, if it was threadshitting (and I’m not so sure it is now that I look back), it certainly wasn’t the big huge deal I was making it out to be.
So…I retract what I said and apologize.
No, I don’t.
Now please return the favor:
If a poster came into that thread and suggested that all of the people who loved that movie were a bunch of silly little girls who only watched that drek to drool over a bunch terrible actors with no shirts on, and a mod came in and said:
would you consider that appropriate moderation?
discretely checks
Nope!
If VT, Ellen, Diosa, and Fenris are thirsty, I’m buying a few rounds later on. A silly billboard generating silly outrage has made me thirsty. 
Here’s the thing I don’t get after everyone fought so hard to stop the misogyny on this board; no one was being salacious in that thread until Diosa posted what she crudely did. If part of the point was to have women treated better, than those posts were a failure in that they were the ones that were making me feel oogy as a woman. And I guess it wasn’t enough that she posted her scolding once, she had to up the grossness factor and do it again since the first didn’t get much attention. She is the one who made that thread take on the idiotic tenor that it did, not anyone else.
What is not salacious about drooling over a grainy photo of a woman’s naked ass? Did the OP post a photo of the Mona Lisa? Sex and/or masturbation is the topic of that thread fer cryin’ out loud. Were you expecting an art critique?
We clearly have different ideas of what constitutes idiotic tenor.
To answer the OP’s question, no threadshitting is not now allowed. In my opinion as a moderator, DiosaBellisima’s post was not threadshitting — it was disagreeing with the premise of the OP, and with subsequent posts that, it is the “best billboard ever.” Her basis for this disagreement is that it’s sexist to think such a minor sight is the “best” and was basically making fun that someone would start a thread over it.
That said, I would like to explain my rationale for posting what I did, the “drooling … weariness” portion. I was attempting to draw a parallel to other threads we have where disagreement and calling people out for shoddy premises. I did not close the thread for being sexist or misogynistic. It is allowed to exist and people are allow to post their appreciation for the billboard … and for butts, I suppose.
But if you start a thread, you have to expect disagreement. We frequently get pleas from people who start a discussion about some situation, expecting that they’ll get a lot of high-fives, and the thread turns out quite different. They are called out for their behavior. If they want to open up their situation to the board as a whole, they have to live with the response they get. Of course there are exceptions to this, if it is a primarily support-driven thread, someone knows they did wrong and are seeking sympathy … that’s different. We don’t (or shouldn’t) kick people when they’re down. Drawing these distinctions are what we, as moderators, are expected to do.
So what I think is happening here is that some people think they ought to be allowed to talk about women any way they want, and they feel they are being restricted when any blowback comes their way. Others, women mostly, for their part feel that permitting such talk is restrictive upon them — a demeaning atmosphere toward women is being sanctioned.
I am talking about this with the other moderators. You all know I’m a reasonable person. I’ll think about it some more.
Thank you Ellen for checking back in. While I really, really like you as a poster and generally think you a a great mod, I strongly disagree with you on this. Threads that turn against the OP are usually in the pit. And sure, at the other far end are support-driven threads - no disagreement there. But there is a huge gulf of middle ground where someone might call, say, popular fiction a “great” book. I’ve seen mods ask that posters dial it back for disagreeing with that premise.
I’m honestly confused by your attitude. The pic linked in the OP was a billboard - not some degrading bondage porn. You say “It is allowed to exist and people are allow to post their appreciation for the billboard … and for butts, I suppose” as if the concept of appreciating the female form is foreign to you. It’s common, in fact I’m sure that’s why that image was chosen.
Above that, if DiosaBellisima had just came into the thread and expressed her dislike civilly, OK. But how you can see
as anything but jerkish and threadshitting is beyond me.
Sorry, bad call, imo.
I really like Diosa normally, but I agree she was jerkish in that thread and the moderation was pretty terrible (and Ellen is one of the better mods, I think).
Actually, she was accusing posters in the thread of masturbating, or at least getting off to the image. That’s specifically against the new anti-misogyny rules as it’s a sexual comment directed at other posters. Unless of course the 2nd and 3rd bullet points take precedence, in which case making sexual comments about Doper women in threads that involve sexuality is also okay. Is it? And she wasn’t just disagreeing with the billboard being awesome,s he was insulting the posters in the thread. How is that not threadshitting? It’s the difference between “Twilight sucks.” and “People who like Twilight suck.”
- Being attracted to women is not “sexist”. Trying to shame men for having healthy, natural sexuality, is.
- You just said she was making fun of people (or at least the OP). How is that attacking the post and not the poster?
“That’s silly, that billboard is just bland. Why’s it such a big deal?”
vs
“Ermergerd! Lady butts! Stop that before I lose it and blow one in my jorts!”
Which is good, because it isn’t.
In the Pit, yes? That’s the forum we have for calling out people for their behavior and not attacking their arguments, right? Your forum is the wrong place to do that, correct?
Actually, what we have here is men talking about an attractive woman, who wasn’t a Doper. And the palpable hostility that’s still coming from your posts evinces hostility to male sexuality itself, if it isn’t closeted. And yes, on the Dope people can talk about whatever they want without being personally insulted outside of the Pit. That’s been bedrock at the Dope since before I was posting here.
Well that’s a pretty stupid view, isn’t it?
If men say that a woman is being attractive, then women are being restricted? By what strange alchemy? Have you ever, even once, taken a woman to task on the Dope for saying a man was attractive? Even once?
This is exactly the same situation as Fundies find themselves in, claiming persecution because they can’t institute their will upon others. So women are now, evidently, being persecuted if they can’t make men keep their sexuality closeted, and if men’re uppity enough to voice admiration for an attractive woman, then women are really being persecuted. Women are no more persecuted when men aren’t ashamed to state that a woman is attractive than Fundies are being persecuted when atheists are regarded as US citizens. Someone else speaking their own mind is not a restriction placed on you. Claiming that it is bespeaks a truly staggering sense of entitlement and a truly worrisome desire to control the thoughts, emotions and behavior of other people.
How about religious folks? I’m sure the climate of atheism is something they feel limits them. Can they insult atheists?
Of course, the attitude you’re expressing is a demeaning attitude towards men, one that tells them that their sexuality is deviant or at the very least revolting, and that it’s only okay to be attracted to an attractive woman if they keep it closeted and don’t speak about it. I assume that you hate the sin, not the sinner? Because if a man expressed his sexuality, that’s restricting women. Somehow. But the sexism inherent in your argument seems to be something you aren’t willing to acknowledge.
If true, I’d invite you to analyze your sexist opinions towards men as a start, and then to analyze why you believe that someone can insult those who enjoy the OP of a thread, rather than challenging the OP’s claims in the thread.
You are making all of this crap up. Just stick to the rules as written. Threadshitting is not allowed.
Disclaimer: I am a woman.
So what exactly is threadshitting to you? Diosa was absolutely insulting and crass in that thread, far more so than the guys were being. When does interrupting a discussion (other than in the Pit) with crude crap like that not count as threadshitting? When it’s something you approve of, apparently. Because you apparently think in strawmen like this:
“What I think happened is that you evil men thought you could talk-rape a helpless photo of an anonymous ladyperson, and one brave soul stood up for all womynkind on the board by daring to speak truth to power!”
Yeah, that’s a moderator who’s characterizing things fairly. And “reasonably.”
If this wasn’t threadshitting, I’d like to know what counts as threadshitting (and not in a “sympathy” thread, I’m talking about Cafe Society-type threads). Kindly elucidate how any post that so virulently debases the opposing side in a fluffy “I like this thing!” thread wouldn’t be warned for.
Look, I’m not a fan of the original topic, it was a silly thread and I’m actually something of a prissy kinda gal (prissy enough that the “who’s your instant boner celebrity?” thread title in Cafe Society made me go “ew,” though hardly to the level of complaining officially), but to me Diosa’s reaction and your subsequent post/decision are both more ludicrous and insulting, and doing more of a disservice to the women on the board by making us seem reactionary, hypersensitive, and rather pathetic. I don’t need your frankly paternalistic overprotection–and yes, I know you’re not the correct gender to be called “paternalistic,” but that’s how I’d characterize it nevertheless. It’s infantalizing us. Worse (or at least just as bad), it’s the Boy Who Cried Wolf story all over again. Real incidents of offensive behavior will be lost in all the static of this kind of crap.
If “threadshitting” is a thing that gets people warned or admonished, this absolutely counts–even if it was done by someone who’s on your side of the misogyny debate. (And aside from this incident I am on your side of the misogyny debate. Or I was. If this is what my side is turning into, I think a third faction is in order.)
Kindly exercise your damn rules consistently.
God. I don’t even like half the people defending this dumbass billboard thread, and you lot are making me side with them. Thanks a bunch.