http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af1c2497955.htm
What the fucking HELL? I posted, just to dispute that ADHD is bullshit. Then I simply said I don’t think the kid deserves to be beat up for merely being “annoying.”
So, in other words, real men go around bashing one another?
Jesus Christ on a stick! If this doesn’t earn me a Purple Heart in the War on Ignorance…
Good Lord!!! Where do they find these people?
BTW, I think it’s amusing that the first dozen or so posts were all in support of the kid, and after the first negative comment they were on top of him like a lynch mob. So much for the radical right being independent thinkers…
Where’d they get the idea that ADHD was a new problem? Shit, my 36 year old brother would be amazed to hear that. He was diagnosed with it 30 years ago when they still wrote it out as ADD/HD.
I wonder how many of those people jumping all over the kid have kids of their own?
What exactly was innocentbystander trying to say in Post #14 where s/he claimed that Timothy Summers will probably end up gay?
“…It would not surprise me to hear down the road that the kid is gay…”
That may be the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on a message board.
What in the holy fuck is wrong with these cockknockers? How can they be so cold and heartless? The kid brought it upon himself? Give me a fucking break! I got picked on, teased and tormented too, and you know what fucksacks? It’s not my fault. It wasn’t my fault back then and it’s not Timmy’s fault now. These little shits are just cruel, mean motherfuckers who think that treating other people like that makes them cool. This is abuse, plain and simple. And another thing, what the hell kind of argument is “That’s the way it has always been”? So the fuck what?!? Just because bullies have always been around doesn’t make it fucking OK. Just because this kind of abuse has been inflicted upon kids for ages doesn’t make it acceptable. I bet you that most of these asswranglers that are criticizing Timmy were bullies themselves as kids. Oh yeah, this is just some plot by the commies … I mean liberals to demasculinize society. Yeah, sure. Wanting to prevent little ten year old kids from being regularly harrassed and abused is some political ploy? Get a fucking clue.
What, don’t you know? Little boys who do not or can not defend themselves against bullies will grow up to be gay. This is because boys who grow up to be “real men” are able to stick up for themselves. Timmy, by not sticking up for himself, obviously has girly tendencies and thusly will be gay when he grows up. This poster calling himself innocentbystander is obviously a wondrously insightful and intelligent person to realize this.
Because you know, people aren’t born gay or anything, they’re always driven to it.*
*All of the above is 100% bullshit and meant purely as sarcasm.
I dunno, I’d say I enabled the hell out of MY attackers because I was too afraid to fight back. When I did, however, it stopped. If he beats the holy fuck out of the next guy that touches him, I can almost guarantee you he will not be bothered ever again.
He’d probably feel alot happier about himself, too.
I’m not saying it’s his fault that he’s being picked on, but his not retaliating is probably continuing the treatment to an otherwise unattainable degree. Oh, violence is wrong, boo hoo! You gotta stand up for yourself sometimes. I wish I could go back to eighth grade when it started, my current mind in my 12 year old body (my 12 year old mind wasn’t brave enough), and whoop the shit out of each of those bastards that tried to lay a hand on me.
I’m quite sure that if I’d been more aggressive in my own defense when I was younger, I’d not have as many (or any) social, depressive, or self-esteem problems as I do.
DO NOT LET PEOPLE MAKE YOU A VICTIM!
–Tim
I’ll go with Airbeck and Homer on this one. I even tried my own clumsy twist on it in this thread.
Bullies are petty psychos that need dearly to be on the receiving end. Every bully identified needs to get a free “in your face” tour at the local Federal Prison. Prisoners who have a prior record as school bullies should get double time off to counsel these budding little tyrants about the consequences of violent behavior.
It’s easy to bemoan the usual troubles teachers have with mere discipline in the classroom, but there is a dark side to the halls of learning that children attend. It is where, too often, a blind eye is turned to meaness and predatory behavior (be it physical or sexual abuse).
Man that’s ridiculous. I was bullied all the way up to Junior High, so I know what it’s like. For those idiots to say it’s the kids/Parents fault makes me wonder just how warped their view of reality is.
Now I have to agree with homer, that until I stood up for myself, I enabled the bullies to beat the heck outta me. But does that make me the cause, or the person at fault? HELL NO! It’s the person(s)who enjoy and get their rocks off doing stuff like that to people.
And then to turn around and say that ADHD is a BS sickness, and that the kids mother is at fault…sheesh. And I find it scary too that at first the posts were in support, and then it turned into a full scale lynching. Sometimes I wonder if we’re just becoming very intelligent lemmings.
Guinastasia, i’ll back ya on that purple heart there.
No argument that most bullies need to be on the receiving end, but what is one child supposed to do when he’s up against a gang of them?
I don’t regret the fact that I rarely fought back in junior high. Most of my attackers were larger and stronger than I was, more experienced fighters, and backed by their friends. It would have been suicide.
Sadly, I think the attitude that bullied kids are doing something to provoke the violence – or at least, they have something wrong with them – is widespread among teachers and administrators. I remember asking the school counselor for physical protection and being offered “peer counseling” instead. (Erm, I don’t go around beating up complete strangers with no provocation, so I don’t think I’m the one who needs it…)
Fucking WORD, fretful. Hell, there was this one girl who made my life a living hell in 9th grade. She also outweighed me by about fifty pounds.
Good god. I always found the best way to deal with people giving me a hard time was to act like it didn’t BOTHER ME. It did, but I pretended like it didn’t. And you know what? After I awhile, it didn’t. And I involved myself in other things, and gave the impression that their insults weren’t worth my time or my thoughts. and it worked.
Oh, you should read the rest of the site:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af2a8964b12.htm
This is a good one…yeah, women are asking for sexual harassment.
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/latest?ao=1
Note: I know this is a conservative site. Fine, no problem. I know a lot of conservatives come here, and the vast majority are thoughtful, intelligent people, who simply have different views than I do. No prob. But this forum just seems to be OOOZING ignorance, urban legends and bigotry, hate, and stupidity.
To put it bluntly: some of these people make Wildest Bill look like Cecil!
:eek:
I think Ender Wiggins had a good method. Figure out who’s the leader or most respected. Figure out how to make this single person face you alone, without their buddies. Appeal to their manhood. “Oh, I’m just a tiny little pussy, just one little guy. Aren’t you tough enough to beat up just little old me alone? Are you such a pussy that you have to have your friends help to beat up someone as small as me?” and so on. When you convince them to face you alone, beat the fuck out of the bully, any way possible. Fight dirty. Bite his arms. Punch his throat. Kick his balls. Knee his stomach. Make him fear you. While his friends are watching. If they jump in after you kick his ass, you’ll get a whipping. But it’s the last time. There’s one rule to getting left alone: Beat the other guy bad enough he’s afraid to try again. If you beat him up a little and leave it at that, it’ll just piss him off. If you beat him bloody, he’ll be too scared to come back.
–Tim
Personally when I got in fights I was weaker than them and looked like an easy target. That never really mattered in the fight though. I never had any real trouble even with that fighting.
I found that the best way for them to not annoy you was to look like a complete psycho. If you look at someone like you would as soon kill them as look at them then they try to avoid you in my experience. I remember once I tried to pick a fight with a black guy like a foot taller than me because he cut in front of me and he backed down. (note: being a psycho whose extremely angry does not work when the other person is as angry as you)
Most of the fighters who were bigger stronger more experienced and backed by their friends are too cowardly to fight some stranger who looks like they are about to kill them.
Heh. I beg to differ. Standing up for myself got me worse. If I managed to hold off one, that one came back with friends. Or used sucker-punches. If I got caught defending myself, I got suspended with everyone else. I tried to take it to the authorities, as per the policy, but they saw so much of me I guess I came through as a whiner. But dammit, there was SOMETHING WRONG!
It IS the damn parents that say, like a mantra, “Oh, my darling angel would NEVER do anything like that!” along with “Well, your child must’ve done something to deserve it, then, because my darling angel would never do anything like that.” Oh yes, and before I learned that the authorities wanted me to be a punching bag, these same parents would insist I be disciplined for fighting back. After all, Darling Angel NEVER starts the fight…
Charge the bullying little fucks with assault. And their asshole parents with accessory to assault and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. My son’s having this kind of problem, and right now, we’re sorta waiting for the main instigator to do just one more asshole thing.
Then we’re gonna see the little(well, not so little) bastard with a juvenile record…not that we’d be so fortunate as to have it follow him the rest of his life. And I’m gonna sue the school for not ensuring his safety on the school grounds, as he has been assaulted on school property during school hours.
I could encourage the fight-back idea, but I don’t want my sons becoming bullies themselves. Too easy a transition, in my mind.
Oh, and Ender’s solution, if you recall, resulted in the death of the bully. Not exactly what I have in mind here. I don’t really want the little prick dead, I just want him to leave my kid alone. And everybody else’s kids, for that matter.
“Boys will be boys.” Feh. “Girls will be girls.” Double feh.
Decent advice if you can take on one of 'em, Homer, but pretty much out of the question for a 90-pound female with no fighting experience at all…
In any case, the really vicious ones confine themselves to throwing rocks and spreading rumors, neither of which – from the school’s perspective – constitutes adequate provocation.
**
It would be nice to think that all bullies end up growing up into bad adults wouldn’t it? From my experience even a lot of nice kids end up picking on the easy targets. Remember that not all bullying is violent and that years of verbal abuse can take an emotional toll. Most of these kids don’t realize the kind of long term damage that their actions might have.
Marc
Oh boo-hoo, Timmy has no friends. Kids making fun of him when his dog died? I’ve had worse. If he doesn’t like it he should take a gun to school and peel a few caps back.
Sorry about that, I wasn’t as clear as I should’ve been. And I agree with you, each situation is different, and because of that not eveyone can just “stand up” to the bully in question, because that will just makes things worse for the kid who’s getting picked on. Now as for what I was saying about it not being the Parent’s fault, I meant the parents of the child who’s getting bullied. The parents of the bully/bullies, are usually as much to blame (I know i’m broadbrushing here, but in general it’s true, but I do know of bullies, that no matter what their parents tried to do, it just wouldn’t stop them) And you are so right about what those parents say. I’ve heard those same words.
What gets me, is that it’s NOT that hard for the teachers and parents to figure out who the bullies are, but the parents of the kids who are getting bullied can’t do too much about it, because it starts an altercation between the adults, and when that happens, it can get messy. And the teachers and schools have taken a “I don’t give a damn” approach and punish both kids when one was either just getting his butt whipped or he/she tried standing up for himself. and THAT’S what drives me nuts
This is getting very interesting (but not in a good way, unfortunately); I’ve been out of school for ahem a couple of decades now, and I don’t recall bullying being such an issue. I recall a couple of kids who would occasionally say something uncalled for to a smaller or odder kid, but nothing on this level. Am I right in assuming that there is more bullying going on than ever before, or am I just recalling my school years with rose-coloured glasses on? (Of course, I also remember a teacher who used to break yardsticks over the heads of the unruly boys, and hearing of kids getting the strap in the principal’s office, and saying the Lord’s Prayer and singing O Canada before class every day. Sheesh, am I ever old.)
It depends on the school really. And of course what age the kids are.