Nah, they are going to blame Democrats for ‘forcing’ them to vote for him. They are already making that excuse over in the ‘Why did you vote for Trump’ thread.
No matter. Winning is all Trump cares about. Winning is the moral thing to do. if you win, you were right, and if you win, you were good, and better. It’s a religion.
Another prediction: I predict that the “insiders in the White House, close to Trump” that leaked info like this (WaPo article about Trump being enraged about news coverage re: u crowd sizes) will NOT be prosecuted by Trump, but will turn out to be a conscious media strategy by Trump. Or rather, by Rupert Murdoch and Bannon.
But that’s the interesting part, isn’t it?
I mean, imagine he keeps rambling on about stuff that seems pointless and ignorant, like you were just saying. And imagine people keep saying he’s ‘crazy like a fox’ like you were just saying – for the reasons you were just saying – and imagine, too, that the whole approach eventually gets him re-elected, just like it got him elected.
Do we come back to this same thread, and make the same points again?
Sure, if he gets removed from office as a laughingstock, that’s a whole different conversation. But if he keeps on doing what he’s been doing, are there any results that – over the course of four or eight years – should make us tilt our heads to the side and say, wait, isn’t that indistinguishable from crazy-like-fox cleverness?
“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”
~Donald J. Trump (Current President of the United States)
He’s not Hari Seldon for fuck’s sake. He’s not as stupid as his detractors imply but he’s no fucking Hope Hubris either.
“I’m going to vote for Trump because he gets what he wants and will always be able to outsmart me!”
What kind of weird-ass logic is this?
It’s worth noting that Paris Hilton employed the same strategy. Create a controversial persona that people love to get outraged about, and love to feel superior about. Play the media to keep the attention alive. Meanwhile cash in on your celebrity status. Paris also kept everybody guessing if she was crazy like a fox, or crazy like a rich vapid blond bimbo.
Paris eventually got tired of it.And she had reached her goals. And she has kept out of the public eye since years. So looking up the limelight was a conscious choice for her, in hindsight.
Which doesn’t rule out the theory that letting Trump call attention to himself is someone else’s (the GOP’s? Trump’s “advisors”? Putin’s?) agenda.
It’s not Trump pursuing a rational strategy; it’s other people pursuing a rational strategy by letting Trump be a ridiculous, narcissistic blowhard.
Holy fuck. Seriously? He’s unhinged. I mean I knew that, but sheeeeesss.
What is that… whatever the fuck it is, from?
“He’s crazy-Like a fox!”
-Chickens who voted for him
For the record, I didn’t vote for him. And despite the posts I make pointing out the realities of his intelligence and the various and many ways he’s been successful (we are supposed to be fighting ignorance here), I would describe my feelings about his presidency as ‘apprehensively optimistic’.
It’s pretty weird, all right. And I doubt anyone voted for him because of it.
Of course it does not matter anymore, he won, what I pointed stands too. What ended happening with Nixon or Berluscuni is what it is bound to happen next.
Well, maybe. Or maybe everyone is aware of the Obamacare order and the TPP killing, and it’s just not as much fun to send around those stories. That is, the 30 second byte that this has been done is not a surprise, and people note it and move on. But the story that Sean Spicer thinks he can rename “lies” into “Alternate Facts” is funny, amusing, and terrifying, and much more fun to talk about.
I doubt it. Nixon was the victim of twenty years of persecution by the press, outraged initially by his opposition to communism in the 50s and determined to do him in. In those days most people took the press (and the news itself) seriously. Nowadays the news media are so openly biased that no one takes them seriously anymore. The left unsurprisingly thinks they’re right on, and the right correctly thinks they play politics with their coverage. And then of course there’s the matter of social media these days, where Trump can speak directly to the people themselves to challenge what the media says about him. All of this means that the power of the news media to sway public opinion has been greatly reduced compared with the environment Nixon faced from the 50s to the early 70s.
As for Berlusconi, I don’t know enough about him to comment, other than his perhaps having being done in by large-scale frolics with prostitutes and so forth. I doubt anything like that will happen with Trump.
I only can see Quinnipiac. some form of myopia, I suppose. Regardless of what the numbers seem to say, he didn’t get any more than 47% of those folks who voted, and, further, the true pain of his foolishness has yet to hit the folks who don’t know that their ACA insurance is Obamacare. His polling numbers are worse than his voting percent, largely because some small percent of his votes were ‘just to shake things up’ votes, and those folks are the first to have second thoughts, never having thought Thrump would actually be elected. They just wanted more excitement. Well, they are getting it. Better start practicing ‘Duck and Cover’ again.
America’s Epitaph, potentially.
I don’t dispute that Trump ran a maverick campaign and prevailed against conventional wisdom and all the odds. But with regards to his presidency, I think that from an Occam’s Razor perspective, it is more likely that all of these benefits for the Republicans are unintentional rather than an intentional ploy. I don’t dispute for one moment that his Tweeting antics have the unintentional effect of letting Republicans get a lot of work done under the radar, but it’s hard to believe that this is an intelligent. deliberate strategy.
Nevermind that the first part of the paragraph here contradicts the second. And the reality is that yes… He was a crook. in the end it was not the press but other republicans that realized he was a cad and did him in.
The latest polls points to a free fall in support. I do think that for a long time it will remain on the 30-45 region for a long time… until a big misunderstanding, terror attack or trade war that turns violent; leading to a subsequent war where the president will get undeserved support, as usual.
Of course, as a fundamentalist admitted to an NPR reported once, he voted for Trump because “the Old Testament is full of situations where God used even evil men to accomplish his will.” Never mind that that idea eventually leads to a catastrophic lose of influence and power. Like it was with the war against alcohol, the American people realized that it only gave more power to the gangsters and generated more violence. Nowadays the cabinet Trump as assembled is bound to continue with drug prohibitions that in reality generates more violence and crime, just as most of the American people were realizing how stupid that is/was. Having a fox guarding the hen house will make the contradiction and eventual republican defeat worse than if a better capable person had been in power.
It is from a campaign speech in South Carolina in July.