So the restaurant industry doesn't like paying minimum wage? Too bad, so sad!

Did you report them to the relevant authorities?

Social programs that provide assistance.

Here is the magic about that. When working at one of these places, it’s not like you are fighting your way up to some ideal career. It’s much more about “Holy Jesus rent is only 6 days away” and you have to have a job that might perhaps get you through next month. Reporting this shit is the fastest way to being unemployed, which is the opposite direction of getting your rent paid.

I was working for a steakhouse in Montgomery County Texas and was such a great waiter that I got promoted one day to assistant manager. Our computer system liked to glitch out every once in a while when you split tickets and would clone items that should’ve been split to one side of the ticket or the other. It took an assistant manager to delete these extra items off. I got to be that guy and all the other waiters rejoiced. Then came the waiter that was likely working his only table of his 7 hour shift. He went to split the check on a table of 4. It “cloned” a Sprite to both sides of the ticket. I brought over my manager key to the POS terminal. Turned it. Deleted the extra Sprite. Printed out the ticket. Put my manager notes on it. Next day I was fired over the phone for it.

I got fired for being a good manager. The owners of the restaurant and for me that I needed to have the waiter pay for it out of the tips he would’ve made off of that one table he worked for a seven hour shift. We charged four dollars for a fountain drink brought to you in a glass. I wasn’t willing to make that kid pay what likely would’ve been a fourth of his daily wages over a computer glitch.

I could’ve totally reported that to the state of Texas. And in the middle of the two years of investigation at the state would’ve taken, all of the employees of that restaurant would’ve been laid off or fired that need it desperately pay their rent as well. I had another job in four days so even filing for unemployment would have been a waste of time. It happens.

My wife worked for a world class Wikipedia page having Italian chef at a fine dining place. Someone reported that they weren’t getting W2 forms for the year ( restaurant had all employees off books.) The place closed down. Wife lost her job. Shenandoah, TX, right above the affluent area of The Woodlands. One of the best paying jobs that she had while we live in Texas went down the crapper because someone fucked it up for everyone trying to do it the right way. We almost lost our house when that happened.

I forgot to add how restaurants generally get around the minimum wage requirement is this:

Waiter/waitress punches in at 11 am. Say they stay on shift until 4 before they have a table. Restaurant won’t let the waiter go during the dead times, because they are free labor. The hours are adjusted after the day is over to show them clocking in at 3:55. Two weeks later you get the same $0.00 paycheck that says “void” on it. Nobody checks the hours reported. If you call them out on it after you catch it, you are fired for something stupid and unrelated.

However, we have mandated a minimum price for milk: Dairy price supports. It’s been done for lots of other commodities too. Why should the government support minimum prices for things but not for labor?

Some of these posts are real fuckin’ headscratchers.

I bet you could pay someone to scratch your head for you.

The government does not mandate a minimum retail price for milk. Price supports are analogous to supplemental income given to the poor. But just to be clear, agricultural price support are not generally favored by economists.

And we do, of course, have a MW. What we don’t have, for good reason, is a Living Wage. The latter is what was being argued for.

Since this is a thread about the minimum wage, those goalposts belong to a different thread.

Thinking MW works to enrich people when cheap shipping and illegal labor exists is not moving a goal post. It’s pointing out why it doesn’t work.

Do you have to tip head-scratchers? :confused:

Is this a thing? How much do they make? I just wanna make sure they are getting along, ya know?

Fuck, I could employ a couple, assuming they ain’t just “head fixated”.

My [quite] ex-wife bought and opened not one, but two popular franchise restaurants in currently *“the 3rd fastest growing community in America.”
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Prior to that, she was a top executive, over a span of 25 years, at 3 global companies that you are all familiar with. She was twice awarded “Business Woman of the Year” by our city magazine (a city large enough to have an NFL team).

She ran both restaurants into the ground within 6 months. Police boarded them both up at the same time and they have subsequently been re-opened under new ownership who actually understand the restaurant business. My daughters (who I have primary custody of) and I ate there and enjoyed the food.

That is, until first my oldest daughter and then my youngest daughter became hard-core vegans (they shame me with endless Peta type YouTube videos). I’ve converted to “most-time vegetarian” to appease my kids, but I have to slink away stealfully just to get a fricken chicken wing (come up with an affordable, viable, tasty vegan chicken wing and I will covert completely…I promise).

Not sure if I have a point with regard to this thread. Maybe it’s that running a restaurant is more difficult than commonly believed. Or maybe it’s something else. Take from it what you want.

Bullshit point.

When everyone in Seattle pays the same minimum wage, they are all competing with each other under the same foundation. Since Seattle will continue to need restaurants - the market will still exist - those who cannot survive paying the higher minimum wage are those who are not as good at managing their businesses. If they cannot compete, the fault lies in themselves, not in the laws and regulations.

The guy at McDonalds isn’t competing with a guy in India for his job.

Restaurants basically combine all of the various complexities of running businesses in different industries into one terrible package: high initial capital and maintenance costs; personally injury liability; hygiene and safety requirements; high personnel turnover; substantial rates of petty theft and graft; large marketing and advertising costs; fluctuating supply costs; mercurial customer demand; perennial customer dissatisfaction and complaints even if the everything is running smoothly; and requiring direct oversight by the owner pretty much at all operating times without break or vacation. Running a mid-grade non-franchise sit down restaurant requiring kitchen aptitude is so much effort I’m not sure how anyone starts up such a joint, and even with the support of a corporate franchise to provide prepared foods and do most of the marketing it is a massively difficult and exhausting undertaking. The smart way to run a business in food service is either to go with a niche product with built-in appeal and a menu requiring limited skill and food stock (e.g. juice shops, sandwich shops, et cetera), or run a higher end restaurant where income from high markup liquor and wine provides essentially guaranteed profit as long as you can get people in the door.

The US clearly as a surfeit of restaurants, most of which are of mediocre quality or in places that simply do not have enough volume or wealth to support all of them. Causing employers to pay employees a livable minimum wage will likely force many of these stores out of business or automation, and consumers to migrate to fast food or eating at home, which is a natural correction but one that will have impacts upon employment.

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You are being deliberately obtuse. Where do you think all the manufactured goods that the people in Seattle buy? Quite a few from a country called “China.” Who does the residential construction? Who picks the produce these people in Seattle eat?

If you honestly think that trade is not global I don’t know where you’ve been.

Can’t outsource that Wal-Mart greeter! Well, barely literate McDonald cashiers and Wal-Mart greeters sounds great. Yeah those are the jobs that survive. What about all the millions of jobs that did go overseas because of corrupt wage floors?

NM.

What of them? Is America diminished without an underclass of virtual slaves working for pennies a day?

“Virtual slaves” and " pennies a day"?

Cite, please.

“Those who fail to learn from history’s mistakes are doomed to repeat them.”

Based on the posts here by republican feudalists we’re about to repeat 1789…

So how is that anyone makes more than minimum wage? Even people in china aren’t making pennies a day. The minimum wage is worse than useless it’s destructive.

Why is the left happy that people with low economic value make 0? I’ll tell you why. The dumb underclass are fooled into thinking the left cares. Suckers.