And in fact, in real “5 min no rush” games, it wasn’t a problem: Usually, everyone had the same understanding of the rules, and on the rare occasion when some jerk came in and rushed anyway, usually everyone else re-allied to collectively kick his butt.
If you try so hard whats the use
In Dota, I tend to respect people who win games by virtue of skill. Some heroes, however, are incredibly strong at a time (and are basically certain to be nerfed), and I consider anyone who picks those heroes to be a tryhard.
It seems to me that if you are inclined to do something that has a low skill-cap for the sheer purpose of winning, and your only mentality is the win, then you’re a try-hard. It’s got a tinge of unfairness (though it isn’t actually, since there’s no actual exploitation going on beyond picking something which the devs chose to include).
You revived a four-year-old thread just to make this point? Someone’s trying really, really hard.
Weird - I was re-reading this thread recently for some odd reason and now it’s been zombied. Am I the zombie whisperer?
TF2, I got called a try hard for reminding my team about the objective. By my own team mates, in a game with an objective.
that they were ignoring completely.
Getting called a try hard is usually because someone else doesnt want to look like they care about the game. I ignore them or occasionally ask them why they arent playing angry birds instead.
Since this thread has been resurrected, and now other people will read what I said that was so thoroughly misunderstood, I feel I should clarify. (I hate having to add these disclaimers…)
I was using an extreme example to make a point. We were not discussing a self-contained set of rules. We were discussing using absolutely everything at your disposal to win. That means using exploits and cheating and otherwise breaking the game. Those are not a part of the self-contained rules.
I was pointing out that the same logic would make it perfectly fair to kill your opponent in order to win a real life game.
You want to run exploits and cheat in a game you’re playing against yourself, go right ahead. Do it against someone else, and you’re being a dick.
It seems like people are mostly using this term for videogames, but I suppose it could apply in other areas as well.
My interpretation is that it means someone is putting WAY too much effort and intensity into something that should be a casual activity. Like training for a flag football game like it’s the Super Bowl.
Sure, but the problem arises when each person sets the level of “appropriate” effort at something different. Are you “training like it’s the Super Bowl.” or are you “training like you really want to beat that #%#$%# Frank and his buddies this time”? Also, try-hard tends to get used on people who just BEAT you, which…yeah.
Try-Hard is a bad insult. It basically means “You are putting in more effort than I am, so I’m going to ‘insult’ you as a means of trying to defend my own failure, as if getting better at a game by putting in time is some sort of cheating”
It’s a loser insult by the sort of people who think it’s cool to appear to not give a shit about anything. Like derisively calling someone “college boy” or a “yuppie”. So…you are insulting them for being an educated, successful professional?
It’s sort of like the expressions “upstart”, “wannabe” or “nouveau riche”. The intent is to give the impression that the insulter is more deserving of their position as a natural course. Whereas the insulted is implied to be someone who desires the insulters position, but is not worthy, requiring them to put excessive amounts of efforts.
It’s the difference between “being cool” and “trying to be cool”.
When I’ve heard the term, it seemed to be targeted for FOTM-type (Flavor of the Month) people. When one particular class or weapon is known to be overpowered/unbalanced, people flock to it as an “I Win” button.
They aren’t expending effort on actually getting better at core game concepts, they’re expending their effort figuring out where the dev’s balancing mistakes are.
Of course, this is sometimes a convenient excuse on the other side as well–“He didn’t beat me because he’s good, he beat me because he’s a blade-spec ranger which tests show have a 5.3 dps advantage over other classes after the latest patch, that has to be it!”
But…those people AREN’T trying hard, so that seems like a mis-use of the insult. 
Just wanted to congratulate you on this thread-winning phrase, which I intend to steal and use liberally.
Belated recognition is mine ! MINE ! Muahahaha !
(for real though, I can’t claim I made that one up. IIRC it’s from* Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels*)