This thread is very timely, since in reruns, I just saw Family Guy where Peter was looking up old girlfriends… one of them was Patty… then of course was Marcie, implying that they were already happy together. =P
As for me, I never saw Patty as more than a tomboy.
Geez people, they are cartoon depictions of 8 to 10 year olds. When I was that age sex was something disgusting that adults did for unfathomable reasons, and we just assumed that boys and girls would grow up and marry each other because that was what was done. Now that I’m middle aged, sex is something disgusting that adults do because hormones convince us t is great fun, and stay married because a divorce is just too expensive.
Schultz had no intentional sub-text for gay Patty and Marcie, or he would have dropped more clues.
Oh, and I think that on The Ambiguously Gay Duo on Saturday Night Live is gay, because they drop lots of hints.
“Lezzie”? “Dykester”? :dubious: :eek:
She hits on Chuck 'cause she isn’t out yet and is trying to pass…
It’s still too ambiguos to make a firm call either way. Remember, Ace had a girlfriend in highschool. So what if he spent more time with Gary? She was his girl…
Here’s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Schulz
Schulz touched on religious themes in his work, including the classic television cartoon, A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965), which features the character Linus van Pelt, Charlie Brown’s best friend, in a show-stopper, quoting the King James Version of the Bible (Luke 2:8-14) to demonstrate “what Christmas is all about.” Schulz had been active in the Church of God as a young adult and then later taught Sunday school at a United Methodist Church, but his religious views evolved over the years. By the late 1980s he told one of his biographers (Rheta Grimsley Johnson, 1989) that he identified with Secular Humanism. In the Sixties, Robert L. Short interpreted certain themes and dialogues in Peanuts as being in agreement with parts of Christian theology, as he (Short) explained in his bestselling paperback book, The Gospel According to Peanuts. Schulz did not endorse Short’s specific interpretations and often said that “the only theology is no theology.”
I think that Church of God mentioned is the Anderson, IN denomination. No idea how if his ID with Secular Humanism lasted till his death or if it was just a direction he was leaning at the time.
I imagine if he heard the PP+M idea, he’d just roll his eyes, mutter “Good grief!” and not think twice about it.
When correctly viewed, everything is lewd.
I had NO idea Peanuts was a hentai!
Seriously, injecting real sexuality on those categories strikes me as an example of fully sexualized adults projecting their own feelings onto the cartoons. Has nothing to do with with any “reality” I can think of.
I thought that PP was just a strong female character, timely in her fashion (at that time) and comfortable with herself.
As contrasted with the ball breaking bitch, Lucy, for instance. Or Frieda-pimping her curls. Or Sally with her co-dependency issues. (let’s psychoanalyze Peanuts!)
What was the ponytailed girl named? Liked her, too.
I always thought Peanuts was very dark. I loved it as a kid, but then it got bad–that Snoopy-ish character that lived in the desert or wherever–he kept writing it for too long, IMO.
I see nothing wrong with Schulz injecting scripture into a Christmas story–if not there, then where?
I didn’t know he was a secular humanist–I’m suprised that Dobson et al hasn’t declared him part of the devil’s snare. :rolleyes:
Nah. She loves him. Loser that he is, he is also the lead character. He always made the most money. Money=Power, and Power=Sex Appeal. And as we learned in algebra, if A=B, and B=C, then A=C.
Snoopy made a play for a larger contract in the early 70’s but the answer came back, “Hey, you’re just a dog.” He dropped the issue, but deliberately became less and less funny as the years went on. Bitterness, bitterness.
Also, Patty’s role models were female athletes such as Billie Jean King and Peggy Fleming.
Patty was a lot of things, but comfortable with herself probably isn’t one. She might kick ass on the ball field, but she also hated her looks and knew she wasn’t worth a damn in school; in real life she’d probably be diagnosed with a learning disorder.
Violet. She was inordinately proud of her father, but otherwise didn’t have a lot going for her, really. She was mainly there to fill out the chorus of malice surrounding Charlie Brown, one more person who didn’t give him a valentine or come to his birthday party.
That’s Snoopy’s brother Spike. Some of Spike’s strips are pretty funny, though it’s a different kind of humor to the “main” strip. Some of the details of Spike’s life that were mentioned but never shown — that he lived in some kind of communal arrangement with the desert coyotes, until they threw him out; that he was trying to make a cartoon version of Citizen Kane — were very surreal, and very Peanuts.
Thanks for clarifying that. I knew his religious beliefs were more toward the liberal Protestant, as opposed to the conservative fundamentalist, side of the spectrum.
I don’t see why not since the strip practically invited the reader to do so. The psychological issues depicted in Peanuts were so obviously out in the open that it would be like doing the same thing to a Woody Allen movie.
Sig line!
As a young lad, I was always kind of attracted to Marcie. Given my track record since then, this means that she was, in fact, gay. :smack:
The first female to ever appear in Peanuts was Patty – not Peppermint Patty, but a more “traditional” female in terms of dress and mannerisms. Here is a picture of her.
Although Bil Keane’s lawyers did shut down The Dysfunctional Family Circus.
Here’s a better picture of her. Third from the top, but the whole week is pretty good.
Naw, if that’s all there was to it, you’d see people saying the same thing about Lucy.
I think its obviously not what Schultz intended, but I find the comics infinitly more amusing if I read it with that interpretation in mind.
Hi everyone. My name’s Frank. How ya doin’?
I think there was a compassionate statement by Schulz in the PP CB dynamic. Don’t take it at face value. Don’t think of them as cartoon characters or, 9 year old kids.
Patty? “Pat” (It’s Pat). Very popular name for boys at one time. Particularly with Irish families. Most of the time an Irish person has red hair in works of fiction. Patty is just an Irish boy from Charlie Brown’s neighborhood and, he’s gay.
Schulz was a humanist. He penned a book about nuclear holocaust that was banned. He was a very sensitive man. He was trying to make a statement about the human condition through that wonderful gang.’
He was a sensitive artist with a profound grasp of the human condition. It makes sense that he would want to make a statement about society’s fear of homosexuality.
There is nothing female about Patty. Aside from the others using ‘her’ or, ‘she’ when referring to Patty in the third person, the character’s gender is inferred by the audience.
Patty’s a dude and, he likes Chuck. Chuck don’t roll that way but, it’s cool. **Nobody’s hatin’. **
The Marcy thing isn’t a lesbian thing. She calls Patty ‘sir’ because Patty i*s *a dude. Marcy is probably a nerdy kid that Patty is forced to let hang around because their mom’s are friends. Marcy knows what time it is but, she is socially awkward and ‘sir’ is her way of trying to stay tight with Patty and fit in.
Snoopy is Schulz’s statement on humans in general. He dreams of greatness but, rarely has the gumption to achieve it, he doesn’t appreciate what he has and, he has the capacity to be very hurtful and selfish towards someone that loves him for who he is.
Sure that’s what “they” want you to believe, that there is no hidden agenda.
Then they hide it and do a lousy job, so people will say, “Look if he had a hidden agenda, he’d have done a better job hiding it.”
But that’s the idea. You have an agenda, you hide it loosely so people say that, it can’t be hidden or they’d have done a better job to hide it
