So Will The Sky Fall If The UN Declare Palestine a State?

Which means what, we are right and you give up?

It was a joke! You said “Sheol” and I rebutted “Jehannum.”

You mentioned the Jewish “Hell,” so I shot back with the Islamic “Hell.”

Joke, right? Whoosh?

(Or am I whooshed by what you said?)

We whooshed each other. :slight_smile:

brazil84, is there any realistic scenario you can envision where people of Arabic descent and non-Jews make up the majority of Israel where its not a disaster for the ethnic Jews?

Palestinian Christians have been fleeing both the occupied territories and, to a lesser extent Israel proper in droves for a while now. Currently there are more Palestinian Christians living in Chile then in Palestine/Israel.

Yes it is.

Since you won’t answer my questions, I will answer them for you:

I would say “yes,” since the factors underlying the trend have been around for a while now and show no signs of going away soon.

Assuming this is true (and it does seem to be true as far as Palestinian Arabs go), then obviously it is not in Israel’s interests to make concessions.

To answer this question, you need a way to determine when a piece of land belongs to a group of people. To illustrate, there were substantial Jewish populations in east Jerusalem, Hebron, and Gaza before the Jews were ethnically cleansed from these areas in the 1930s and 1940s. After the Jews were kicked out of these places by the Arabs, did it become “Palestinian Land?” Or was it still Jewish land that had simply been stolen by the Arabs? Or perhaps it didn’t belong to any group at all?

Of people who accuse Israel of “stealing land,” I have never heard a principled way of determining what land belongs to what group of people. Instead, they seem to go by the “magic year” principle. i.e. “Jews may have lived in Judea and Samaria continuously from biblical times to the present, but there was a 19-year interruption between 1948 and 1967, and the magic year for determining who owns land is who occupied it in 1948.”

I have no idea what the answer is to this question since your argument doesn’t seem all that clear. But the usual argument I have heard is that Arab misconduct towards Jews in and around Israel is simply the result of Jewish misbehavior, and if the Jews would only treat the Arabs better by making concessions, everything would be fine. This argument seems based more on wishful thinking than actual evidence. Besides, there were regular Arab riots and massacres against Jews long before there were Jewish settlements and long before the State of Israel was founded.

I don’t know the answer to this question, perhaps you were constructing some kind of strawman.

I don’t know the answer to this question. I do know that politicians break their promises, so it would not come as a surprise to me if there were something like that. But again, it seems more likely that you were erecting some kind of strawman.

I would say the answer to this question is no. There is simply no reason to think so. You seem to be trying to argue that Israel has no viable options, but that is not the case. My impression is that your point is based more on wishful thinking than actual evidence.

This seems to be unquestionably true. Of course it costs Israel a lot of money to defend itself from Arab mischief, but it does not appear to be prohibitively expensive. Again, your argument seems to be based more on wishful thinking than on actual evidence.

This is also a bit of a mystery. You seem to agree that concessions by Israel are likely to be counter-productive and yet you also seem to possibly be saying that Israel should be doing something along those lines for its own interest.

I would really like to know what you think Israel should do for the sake of its own interests.

No the sky won’t fall and I am glad that it finally happened with the flag of Palestine going up, despite opposition from Israel and the U.S.

Do you hope that “Palestine” will offer full citizenship and residency to Palestinian Arabs who are living in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria?

Do you hope that “Palestine” will offer full citizenship and residency to any person who was born and raised within its declared borders, even if that person happens to be Jewish?

“Declared borders?”

Does Palestine have declared borders yet?

Given the way the UN is rolling over for them, it seems that all they have to do is ask, or tell, where those borders are.

Yup, it’s pretty hard to think of a country with more power or privilege. I hope they realize that things won’t always go so smoothly for them.

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My impression is that the General Assembly is pretty much automatically on the side of the Palestinian Arabs (in any conflict involving Israel). The Security Counsel, however, is a different story.

But if “Palestine” has not actually declared any borders, it would not surprise me in the least. Because it’s pretty much a dilemma for the Palestinian Arab leadership. Do those borders include Haifa? Tel Aviv? Failing to do so would be seen as a concession and a betrayal by the Palestinian Arabs themselves. On the other hand, including them would give their game away to their Western patrons

Out of curiousity, I searched “palestineun.org” and found no map of this supposed state.

No one seems to be willing to share Jerusalem, indeed both sides claim it exclusively.

Nor is either side willing to share Haifa or Jaffa.

But they can set fire to stuff they don’t argue over. :slight_smile:

I think the UN should declare the area now occupied by “Israel” including the areas occupies by the "Palestinians:,.,.,…,…,.

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Which is what the region was called in the beginning

The UN can declare whatever it wants, I suppose.

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