So You Don't Think Grocery Workers Deserve Protection....

I refuse to engage in this discussion with rotten, evil scum such as yourself who is on record as wishing illness and death upon me and people like me. All you’re going to do is attempt to twist anything I say into a lie. So fuck you, go to hell, and shut the fuck up. You’re managing to threadshit a Pit thread and that takes some doing. You don’t get to waltz in here and pretend to be civilized after the shit you’ve taken on two threads now.

Yes, in this moment, this day, I hate you. I loathe you. I despise you. I spit on you. If you were on fire I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out because you’ve made it clear you have NO problem abandoning other humans to disease, risk, and possible death because you don’t think they’re worthy based on what they do for a living.

So, if somebody else asks the same question, the same hypothetical, you got an answer?

Why won’t you just admit that you were an idiot for thinking we were talking about N95s?

A better analogy is that we only have a a million doses of magical vaccine, but we have an abundant supply of a magical medicine that makes the symptoms less severe. We’re talking about distributing this treatment to folks who work with the public. And then here you come into conversation saying “I don’t approve unless all the doctors and nurses get their cut first!” And when we explain to you that no one will be taking anything from doctors and nurses, you continue to double-down instead of issuing a mea culpa.

Notice how no one but you was confused about what we were talking about?

Some people, when they dig themselves into a hole, cannot help but dig deeper.

Sometimes, it happens to otherwise thoughtful, intelligent posters.

Your question is not the same, it is a bullshit twisty fucking way to debate. Either own up to the mistake you made or own up to being an unthinking asshole. Seriously, fucking apologize for your misunderstanding, stop digging deeper.

Fuck you, go to hell, and shut the fuck up. I hate you. I loathe you. I despise you. I spit on you. If you were on fire I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

Thank you to Broomstick, Bio, Joey and everyone else who is out there making it so my family can still eat. We limit our grocery store trips and stock the hell up when one of us does need to go out- and it’s only 1 of us that goes. It’s not a family trip, and I cringe when I see a whole family out doing the grocery run. While I don’t buy lottery tickets, I do also stock up on my preferred vices while I’m foraging.

I’m glad when I see the workers with masks- I’m wearing one and I’m only seeing non family rarely.

Hey, if anyone needs to take a dump, there’s a way-deep hole over here.

Ewww, that one’s all full of shit already!

I am very reluctantly sticking my nose in here, but I am hoping to provide some missing clarification.

First and foremost, it cannot be said often enough or with enough emphasis how appreciative my family and I are for these front-line workers that are keeping society going these days, and grocery workers are among the “foremostiest” of these.

This discussion is actually revolving around two types of facial coverings, N95-rated filter masks, and simple facial coverings such as surgical masks and cloths. The former offers protection *to *the wearer, and the latter offers protection *from *the wearer. Back in early March, health experts were telling the public two different things: “don’t wear masks, we need them for the healthcare workers” (this was meant to reference N95 masks), and “simple masks won’t protect you, though they may stop you from spreading your oral spew”. This may or may not have been decent advice at the time, but it certainly was the prevailing wisdom. Hereis a column talking about this confusing and ultimately self-defeating advice.

A month and an eternity later, and now the advice is for everyone to wear simple face masks, because so many people do not know and have no way of knowing if they themselves are carrying and infectious. People are wearing the simple masks to protect others, not themselves (yes, yes, there is data that says simple masks offer some protection, but nowhere near N95-level protection). Doctors, nurses, and other healthcare workers, exposed to known carriers for hours every day, need the N95 masks, and there is a nation-wide shortage of N95 masks, so there is, naturally and obviously, going to be controversy on how N95 masks are allocated until there are enough to go around.

Should everyone be wearing a simple facemask these days? In my opinion, of course. The person without the facemask is the potential threat to me, because my simple facemask won’t offer adequate protection from him - so he is the one at fault here. If both parties are wearing simple masks as well as practicing physical distancing, then you are both adhering to current best practices.

I have not seen anyone wishing death on anyone - not grocery workers, not nurses, not garbage collectors, not anyone. Nor do I see the advice that health care workers the ones exposed to known carriers for hours each and every day, get priority for the N95 masks as de facto wishing harm on anyone not a healthcare worker.

Wear your masks, but just as importantly, make sure anyone you’re interacting with is also wearing a mask. You’re looking out for each other.

Dude. Remember the first rule of holes.

And what monstro said, which is really the same thing:

These decisions are being made. News I read suggests they are being made on the basis of political advantage. Won’t testify to that, most of my sources lean lefty. But I think there is ample evidence that the people making those decisions are incompetent and stupid. “Evil” is over my pay grade.

These are moral dilemmas. If you have answers, give. If all you got is “elucidator is an asshole”, you should stick to thoughts and prayers, if that’s all you’re good for.

Aside:
I shop at a local Aldis, its in walking distance. All of their people have masks and gloves. (I asked, they told me). Got someone full time, taking grocery carts and sanitizing them. Limit on people allowed inside, if they are at that limit, you got to wait outside till somebody leaves. I never pay cash, always sanitize my plastic before and after. Cashiers all surrounded by plastic shielding. I approve. Selection is narrow, and eggs are frequently broken. Oh, well.

I am told that those decisions were made by the people who sign the paychecks. The inconvenience probably cost them some customers. Piggly Wiggly do this stuff? AssWhole Foods? Dunno, but they ought to.

WE have to decide, where we spend our money, who we vote for. And yes, if and when a vaccine is found, medical workers should be first in line. If that makes me an evil asshole, so be it. I answer to the man I shave.

What part of “you are not welcome here” are you having a problem with? You fucked up, now own it.

Fuck you, go to hell, and shut the fuck up. I hate you. I loathe you. I despise you. I spit on you. If you were on fire I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

This would be a really good opportunity for you to shut up just once in your life, elucidator.

Ler’s hope the National Guard does not riot.

Great article on grocery workers here.

Because you pitted him? Might as well post a flashing neon, “PLEASE ENGAGE WITH ME FURTHER,” sign.

Yesbut- the N95 masks are by no means magic armor, especially for laypeople who will NOT wear them right, and will likely contaminate them within a short time.

So, those non-medical people out there with N95 masks- if you have a lot- donate them. If you have a few, sure, wear them, but for gawdssake, at least watch a freaken youtube on how to wear them properly. Of course, since you are not used to them, will WILL contaminate them, unconsciously while scratching, drinking or even -shudder- smoking. And they are not a excuse to go out more. They are not magic armor.

luci, you’ve gone off the rails here.

Please, please, please just acknowledge that grocery workers wearing homemade masks, and patrons of grocery stores wearing homemade masks, has nothing at all to do with hospitals, doctors, nurses, paramedics, candy stripers, medical transcriptionists, hospital parking garage attendants, cafeteria spork washers, or anyone else in the medical field as broadly defined as you wish it to be.

Please.

Absolutely. Precisely.

Nor will they work if you have a beard or mustache, or more than about 2 days worth of facial hair growth.

And you can add to that all of the people I see with their simple masks below their noses. What is *that *supposed to accomplish?