Thanks. That’s good enough for me. I like by the way that you are still able to invoke the Dio Show even given that he’s not been here for a very long time.
Tell me again, who was it with the odd fixation with Dio?
By the way, I still spend all of my time defending him, but only in my imagination, and with a tube sock in hand. Since of course it was all just because of my sexual attraction to him.
Definitely helpful. Your biggest mistake of course was assuming that Kable has the brain power to comprehend statistics. (or big words for that matter)
Are you referring to the gun shot or moment of conceptualization?
ERR: Are you referring to the gun shot or moment of conception?
So did I.
Oh, you mean a multi-layered approach, like, and I’m just spitballing here, don’t handle a weapon with kids in the room if you don’t have a real need to do so.
This makes me love you more than I ever did before, Mika.
My ex still misses me, but her aim is improving.
Dude, you know I’m in the front row at meetings of your fan club. And, yes, your post was helpful. (Or, maybe, that just means I agreed with it. Sigh…)
But the sad part is, yeah, you’re right, in a week or two, the jackass in question will be posting his same drivel all over again, claiming he proved you wrong, claiming that guns prevent crime and make people safer, etc.
(Very clever of Congress, really: when they saw studies that showed that guns were harmful…they banned studies…)
ETA: Yeah, I miss Diogenes the Cynic also. Had some character flaws, but, damn, he knew his subject matter!
Trinopus, being reminded that you’re reading makes me feel bad for being so mean.
I have the highlighted study right in front of me right now, just as before. It still found long guns in the home associated with lower rates of homicide. So sorry.
Table 3 is the table trust most. Table 4 has been manipulated. Table 4 specifically says 72 pairs were excluded due to missing data. It seems particularly sketch that the highest risk factor found in table 3 by a considerale margin “Case subject or control had trouble at work because of drinking” didn’t make the analysis. We could go on to mention Kellerman held out on sharing his numbers and when he finally did his results could not be replicated but that would probably be to much for your pea brain to process.
That’s great moron, but your cite does not back up your initial claim no matter how much you write to disguise the fact. I do appreciate the effort however.
Great so you do understand that Kellerman found long guns in the home were assocated with decreased risk of homicide. Good for you.
Surely Hentor you are smart enough to know that just because a study does not show statistical significance does not mean there is no effect, and for any value with a odds ratio less than 1, the odds are more likely that there is a negative effect than a positive effect or no effect. You know that right? Or do I have to learn it to you?
That said the fact is that Kellerman found that homes with a rifle or shotgun had a less than average risk of homicide. Yes? Come on you can admit it. So all the risk he reported was associated with handguns, then he went on to conclude that people should not keep any guns in their home. See that’s the bullshit that lost him CDC funding.
Please cite the paragraph and lines where it says that.
I’m just happy to see my side is winning the gun debate in the public and your side has squandered their temporary emotionally charged advantage. 
Okay, Trinopus, I don’t feel so bad anymore.
Just admit I’m right and you’re wrong Hentor. It’s not asking too much.
And you thought it could take up to a week, Hentor?
Yeah, I just had to get off work. It don’t take long to see through pea brain Hentor’s bullshit.
Your objection to registration is you shouldn’t have to register to exercise your constitutional rights?
Don’t you have to register to vote?
The expenses for extensive gun ownership are manifest, emergency room/medical costs, police, court, clean up costs, families losing breadwinners, falling into poverty and social assistance, to name just a few. The burden of those costs should be on gun owners, not those who refrain from owning guns.
Nobody cares that 15 guns would be prohibitively expensive due to insurance costs. Anymore than they care that 15 cars are prohibitively expensive to insure. What is it the Right is so found of saying to those working full time jobs and still can’t afford health insurance for their families? Oh yeah, I remember, “if they don’t like it they should get a better job so they can afford it!”
Sometimes, the ends justify the meanness.
It’s one objection. I’ve talked of more.
As I recall, yes.
That’s all nice, but the benefit of owning guns is my family didn’t lose a breadwinner. Same with a lot of other families.
I care. I have a lot more than 15 guns.
See, folks like you are the exact reason you can’t say there are or will soon be more guns in this country than people and draw any meaningful conclusions about how many people in this country will handle a gun in their lifetime. If you have a group of 30 people who own 35 guns between them, that could mean that all or most of the group has a gun, with some folks owning 2. Or, if you have someone like you in the group and one person owns 20 guns, it could mean maybe half of the group owns a gun. If you put 2 people like yourself in the group and they each own 15 guns each, that would mean the vast majority of the group doesn’t own a gun at all.
I’ve taken a lot more than 15 friends shooting in my life. How many people handle a gun in their lifetime is a different figure from how many will own one. There are polls on how many people own guns and how many households have guns in them, and people like me don’t change those polls.
Fair enough, but you also can’t really extrapolate anything all that useful about how many people will handle a gun from how many people live in households have guns in them. Because not everyone who lives in a house where there’s a gun will ever lay a hand on the thing. Around here at least, it’s pretty damn common for a guy to have multiple hunting rifles and his wife/kids never handle any of them.