And how would he defend himself if he were alive? It’s not like he posts to message boards to defend himself, that’s the work for his sympathizers.
not true. in the state of Michigan, there’s a law re: ‘seduction of an unmarried woman’.
Yes it’s been used recently. (I know some one on probation for this)
Thank you for both parts of this posting, dalovindj. I do believe there are more than a few threads within recent memory whose posters need to realize these two facts.
How is being gleeful that Thurmond is dead any different than someone like him rejoicing when someone gets AIDS and dies?
I am amazed that law is still on the books and still enforced, wring. What if the woman seduces the man? What if she’s already debauched? How do they prove “seduction”? That law is incomprehensible to me. I think Lawrence will make that law suspect.
Ditto in New York, where it’s a Class B misdemeanor. Cite. Though you’d have to look pretty hard to find a recent prosecution…
WHOOOOOSSHHH!
It’s there all right. It was used in a plea bargain in the case that I"m aware of. I couldn’t find a legal definition of debauching, wondering if I had been so debauched lately, ya know.
and the law does not provide a remedy for the male who’s been debauched by a female. At least in Michigan.
Well, I am. Do you think US Supreme Court justices have received extensive training in foreign legal systems? I can’t imagine they have, since it’s not part of the American law school curriculum. When they attempt to interpret foreign law, they’ve done it badly, hence the amicus briefs that attempt to correct their interpretation in Bowers.
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Also, chula has some very odd ideas, as far as I can tell, about what international laws mean to the US and what decisions of international courts mean. Remember, we do still have the death penalty for people under 18.
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Odd? Treaties are the supreme law of the land, according to the US Constitution. The United States has not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child, so it would be difficult to argue that it is legally bound not to execute minors. With respect to this case, if other countries agree that consensual sexual activity by homosexuals is part of the rights contained in, for example, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, then those interpretations are relevant to determining the legality of anti-sodomy laws. Does that seem odd? The US Supreme Court also said a long time ago in the Paquete Habana case that customary international law, i.e., international law that the US has not agreed to by signing a treaty, is also part of US law.
“Help! Help! I’m being debauched!”
It’s probably mainly only used as part of an “and balloons” strategy. You know, it doesn’t matter how much fun you’re having, everything’s more fun with balloons. Likewise, you’re probably not going to see a charge of seduction by itself, but on top of a charge of rape, statuatory rape, or sexual assualt, or as a plea bargain down from a charge like that.
In some of the few states where the sodomy laws were still on the books, they were never enforced (but still caused a maelstrom every time someone tried to repeal them); in some, they were equally applied (when they bothered) to both heterosexual and homosexual couples (and remember, “sodomy” in most states referred to both anal and oral sex); but there were a fair number - including Texas - who either only enforced the laws with same-sex couples, or the laws specifically stated they only applied to same-sex couples.
Here is the NGLTF map of sodomy laws in the U.S.
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The USSC is not competent to hear cases from Louisiana? Sorry, I don’t buy it.
I know. I was thinking as I read that this thread could really come back to haunt some people should the corpse of bin Laden or Hussein ever surface, or their death be confirmed.
Funny story to share. According to legend, when the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 was passed, someone asked Lyndon Johnson what he was going to do next. He said “I’m going to drive down to N. Carolina and watch Strom Thurmond start kissing every black ass he can find!”
Probably apocryphal. Who cares.
One story I know is true: when I was a young lad in Waco, Tx, (c. 1964) our Methodist minister caused quite a stir when his sermon subject was “If you find out that Heaven is integrated, do you still want to go?”
When Jesse Helms keels over, you’ll find me at the head of the parade, throwing condoms to the crowd and kissing Taye Diggs from the “Fry in Hell, You Evil Sonuvabitch!” float.
Oddly, though, I won’t be doing much celebrating at Reagan’s death just because, as far as I can tell, he is already dead. Everything that he was is already departed. All that will happen on that day is that his corpse will stop breathing.
I don’t much give a rat’s ass about the boohooers who want us to respect the dead. Where was his respect for us when he was living? He did his best to mainta’n gay people’s despised status in this society, a position he never repented.
As has been said, good riddance.
Not to disagree but to expand, Muffin – or from Puerto Rico. JRDelirious has noted several times lately where the Commonwealth is rewriting its Civil Law Code, with one purpose therein to bring it into line with SCotUS decisions.
You are doing a fine enough job yourself of maintaining gay peoples’ despised status by acting like this. Have fun setting back your cause 100 years, i hope that’s worth the joy you feel now that some old guy is dead.
Um, so why again are we supposed to have anything but utter contempt for Strom Thurmond? That was the way I felt about him while he was alive, wouldn’t it be hypocritical of me to be anything but glad the old fucker is dead?
The amazing thing to me is that the news of the ruling was playing on CNN when I arrived at La Guardia yesterday evening. (I’m in town with my mom, who came to accept several journalism awards on my dad’s behalf.)
C’est une belle journée, je vais me coucher,
Une si belle journée souveraine…
Congratulations to US Queers on your ruling! Good thing you’ve finally caught up to the Pearson leadership 