Soliciting advice on a lot of work situations. Long, complicated and boring.

I swear, I post more threads asking for advice…sigh. Here’s the latest. I’ve been working as an administrative/ executive assistant in one way or another for almost ten years, since I was 18. The positions I’ve held have been progressively responsible and have come to encompass many duties normally outside the traditional AA realm. I’ve never been fired for cause and have had nothing but positive reviews from former employers. Finding a job in a different direction is difficult for me as I do not have a college degree, and people tend to discount me immediately because of that. But I’ve made a decent living so far doing what I do, and it’s nice to not have to work ridiculous hours or take my job home with me. Until I finish the great American novel, it’ll do.

Anyway, things went downhill when I left a job that I loved at a boutique executive search firm (because they sold out to a behemoth firm in 2000) to join a dot-com dependent company that crapped out a year later. Four months afterwards, I joined a promising, stable-appearing industrial services company that crapped out in only eleven months last November and has since declared bankruptcy. In December, I accepted a long-term temporary position as a sales assistant (covering someone on maternity leave) with a window manufacturer, which brings us to now.

When I accepted the position, it was with the understanding that it would last twelve weeks after the permanent employee took leave. I knew going in that the pay would be somewhat less than what I’d receive on unemployment, but the agency told me that this company often hires temps that perform well, so if they liked me, they’d try to find a place for me once my assignment’s done. I decided that it was a sacrifice worth making in this job market (better to save the unemployment for when there’s absolutely no work to be had), and since then have had a great experience – the guys I work for love me, and I truly do enjoy working here. HR approached me to see if I’m interested in staying on permanently, and I gave them a hearty yes. All good news so far.

Here’s where the problems come in. The permanent sales assistant has just informed the company that she’s extending her leave by four weeks. Great, I think, because it gives HR more time to find a suitable permanent position for me here – they’re working on it, but there doesn’t seem to be anything perfect for me right now (though I do have an internal interview for a marketing position next week). But I’m still making shit money, and after almost four months, it’s now becoming a real hardship. So it occurs to me that I’ve got an advantage here. They need me to stick around because I’m trained in this position and, given the brief time window, they wouldn’t be able to get a new temp off the ground before my assignment is technically completed. Given the extension, the continued obligation (and thus inability to be very available for interviews and such) and my excellent performance here (toot, toot), I think I deserve a raise, and am considering approaching the temp agency about it. Since I’d have to contact at least two people at the agency, I figure e-mail is the best approach. So - question 1 - is asking for a raise in my situation brassy, or fair? Is it unethical, or going back on a promise? Would it damage my chances of getting a permanent position here? Below is the text of the e-mail I’m planning to send – is it too aggressive?

My second concern is the company itself. They’ve been slowly downsizing – every week, it seems, I get an e-mail saying someone in x department is no longer at the company. Now, it is a large-ish company (over 600 employees), and it’s only been a dozen or so employees, but it makes me wonder about the company’s stability. I’m pretty gun-shy after two layoffs, and I really need to find a place to stay for more than one or two years. Even if they find something for me here, I’m squirrelly about its long-term prospects for me. Still, the lure of a real paycheck is strong. It’s something I would definitely ask about before accepting a position, but even then – how bad of a sign is this?

Third. It’s obvious to me that the permanent sales assistant here is not anxious to get back to work. She’s enjoying her time with her new baby – though she has told me that she’s bored sometimes at home all day, and that financially, she needs to work. However, if she’s taking four more unpaid weeks of leave, they can’t be too bad off. I’m considering asking her what she would think about job sharing. I’m fairly sure that they have some administrative needs in other departments that wouldn’t necessarily require a full-time assistant, so maybe I could be a part-time assistant in a couple of departments, thereby creating a full-time job. It would be kind of awkward to ask (gee, can you only come back part-time so I can have a real job?) but it might work out well for her. I do wonder if HR would kind of take umbrage to the idea, as well.

Fourth and final: any tips on how to go about an internal interview? I know both of the people I’ll be interviewing with, so I won’t be overly nervous. This is a business casual office – do I go full-bore with the suit or will I look like an ultra-eager dork?

I guess this joblessness is wearing on me, and I’m second-guessing every move I make. I want to start taking classes again but I don’t want to do it while my job situation is so uncertain. I just want to be settled again. So, any words of wisdom for me?

Well, if you have read the "disillusioned philosopher’ thread, I happen to be going through some trying times as well. Though I am not looking for work, I may be changing coasts, and jobs!!

For you however, I have a couple little tidbits that may interest you.

  1. Have you ever thought about writing a kick ass grant and taking classes that way? I had a student a few years ago who was in her early thirties and was going to school under a state grant. She had everything paid for including her appartment off campus. Then maybe you could work part time and go to school under a grant.

  2. I sense that yoyu may actually like working, in this case, I’d ask the co-worker’s you will be interviewing with different questions about the process. If you know them ask about the dress, ask about the nervousness you are feeling, but do it with confidence. You are not asking for help, you are asking for guidence, big diff.

RE: the text of the letter. Omit the word love from any email you may send. Instead of saying you would love to take a permanent position you may want to phrase it like: I would welcome any opportunity to work for the company on a permenant basis…

Don’t forget if you are a temp, the company is paying the agency more for you than you are making hourly. But they make up for the lag, by not having to pay benefits. So you do have some cards to play, just play them with your game face on.

** not spell checked due to time frame.

Gundy,

I think the wording of your letter is excellent. I would take a chance and give it a try. What do you have to lose? They could say no, and I seriously doubt the temp agency would fire you for asking for a raise. And whatever happens, the company is still going to consider you for a job at some point in the future. And, it seems you have a pretty good chance for getting the job you are interviewing for soon.

One thing: I wonder if going through the temp agency is the correct course of action, because afterall, they would probably just go to your company and ask for more money. Would it maybe be better to approach both the temp agency AND the company at the same time with your request?

I think it’s ridiculous that you’re being paid less than unemployment! A person with 10 solid years of experience should not have to be paid so little. May I ask, what part of the country do you live in?

Good luck and please keep us updated!

I did read your thread, and wish you luck in your decision. Wish I had some helpful advice, but I’m fresh out! :slight_smile:

My main issue with returning to school is time. I have a young son, so working part-time and attending school full-time would be really difficult for me to manage and still spend time with my son. As it was, I took one extended class on Saturday mornings and that worked out well for me.

You’re absolutely right on this, and as it turned out, one of the people with whom I’m interviewing came to me to talk about what to expect, so that worked out well.

Sound advice, and I did just that.

Thanks phlosphr!

I swallowed hard, and sent it off. I was just worried about sounding, well, threatening. And I do think that the prospects are good for that marketing position. Thanks for the good thoughts!

I don’t know that I really have anyone to approach at the company. I’ve actually worked for a temp agency before (not as a temp but as an internal employee) and so I have some knowledge of how things work there, and as I am technically in the employ of the agency, protocol as far as I know it is to approach them first with any problems, and they’ll deal with it from there.

I’m in Chicago. I should say, the pay isn’t slave wages ($12/hr) but it’s not great, either. As a temp, I should be making around $15, though. Because I’m single with a dependent and used to make a pretty good salary I get the maximum amount allowable from unemployment, which is a (barely) liveable amount.

Thanks again, birdgirl!