[quote=Evil One]
Intel says Iraq have WMD
WMD bad
Wait for WMD hit?
No
Preempt.
I was thinking more of an E.E. Cummings vibe.
too many capital letters. However, still the worst of it’s genre, whichever you may choose.
They thought so. And once again, WWII analogies abound. Now…are you willing to take a WMD hit before addressing the issue or not?
CWhat would be the proper terms to describe a mindset such as this, so rigid and inflexible, imperfious to reason, preferring to rely on childish jingoistic aphorisms to support their presupposition?
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This is too easy. Like these?
“Bush lied, people died!”
“No blood for oil!”
Ideological rigidness is a terrible thing, isn’t it? Thank god it’s only evident in those who are to the right of Bernie Sanders.
Yes. Those who don’t toe the line as you see it are all insane.
bwahaahahahhaaaaa.
i]wipes tear*
no, really.
It’s not intransigent to stick to your position when the facts have actually borne it out.
This is a fact
This is also true.
So, at last count, all tolled, complete figures, one. Count 'em, one. You know, that really ain’t so bad, considering. There may be others with turds for lobes, but a least they’re too embarassed to admit it, and that’s a kind of progress.
This is the big question. Are you willing to preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States, or would you rather twist meanings beyond all recognition in the hopes of preventing an attack that may or may not happen and probably cannot be stopped even if it does happen?
The idea that by doing what we are doing will prevent such an attack in the long run… well, perhaps. But in the short run we are slowly tearing at the fabric of what this country is supposed to stand for. I would sacrifice my life to defend the Constitution. In fact, I have sworn to. What we are doing is sacrificing the Constitution for some illusory idea of safety and security. It’s your call, but I for one would like to see things be the way they are supposed to be rather than what they are now.
I understand your point and agree with it in general. I am a military veteran myself for what it’s worth. But I don’t understand how taking preemptive action is sacrificing the constitution.
Perhaps. But many people who don’t march in lockstep with the thought police in here aren’t bothering to post.
Things are going badly in Iraq. It will take years to clean up. Tactical and administrative errors have taken place. GWB was stubborn too long.
But none of the above is a reason to take a huge group of people and dismiss them with derision and rudeness. I find the social policies of those on the far left naive, socialistic and laughable, but I’m not going to call them names out of frustration because they don’t think like I do.
My respect for you just climbed another notch. Thank you for this post on behalf of another veteran who is also the son of a veteran.
Jim
Well, bless your heart, you go right ahead! First time any of them bullshits us into a war, you let 'er rip!
Quite alright. Your posting history here leaves no doubt that there’s little you do understand.
Pat,pat. Run along now and go play with your toy soldiers…
It’s not, exactly. But through various machinations, such as gaining tacit approval through what is essentially fraud is corrupting the ideals that our republic stands for. Legislation like the PATRIOT Act, which was passed for the alleged purpose of protecting us, has done more to erode the ideas encapsulated in the Constitution than anything in recent memory.
The real tragedy is that we as citizens have allowed our representatives to continue to fail in their responsibilities to us. Admittedly, this is a major departure from the position I held in the past, but if we are to be truly free how does it behoove us to have our government, with our approval, spy on us? It can be said that the freedoms we have granted ourselves through the Constitution can potentially lead to individual danger, but they strengthen our society as a whole. I, for one, would rather take the chance that someone will kill me for what I believe in right outside my house than have some anonymous government official come to my door to take me away and keep me in prison without any possibility of recourse. The idea that someone can take away my freedoms simply because I choose to exercise them is as un-American an idea as I can think of.
Good on you Doors. Go back thirty years (and I realize you can’t since you’re too young to so. Just a mental exercise) and that was precisely my love affair with your country. Freedom to do as you wish as long as you’re not harming others.
Apparently it continues to escape you that it was Al-Qaeda who struck on 9/11 and that there was no evidence that Saddam had any immediate or even future plans to attack America. But I guess if you don’t, you know, read news ever it’s remotely possible that you managed to not know it. Or if you’ve been sticking your fingers in your ears and hollering LALALALA every time the news is on.
You claim to stand up for what’s right and decent and honourable.
Smiting Iraq because of a bogus threat that bogus WMDs ‘might’ be used someday before the End of Time is the same thing as killing your 5-year-old today because he’s disobedient and therefore may grow up to be a psychopath who’ll kill you in thirty years so you better get rid of him now.
Which is not right, decent, or honourable.
Get it yet?
Not merely that he didn’t have any, he refused to give them up!
On the plus side, executing Saddam will make it that much harder for him to prove American collaboration in the mass execution of the Kurds…
Hell, he didn’t even allow inspectors in (last paragraph). Hans Blix must have just been a figment of my imagination.