What if both parties are Asian?
Depends. What’s their income level? SYG would only apply for Asians making more than $100k/year.
I don’t think race matters anywhere as much as the political cause being supported. Many conservatives would happily defend a black conservative driver who struck a white liberal protester. In fact, the fact that it was a minority conservative driver might result in even more enthusiastic support than a white conservative driver, since it scores even more narrative points.
I was joking actually, but I do think that SYG cases are typically white guys. I don’t really want to debate that here, of course.
How far does that go though?
I can understand driving over the people attacking me but what about the reporter 100 feet away who is just documenting the protest and I run her over too in my haste to get away from the people attacking me?
Yeah, and what about that neighbor who always throws his leaves on your yard who happens to be a couple of blocks away? Can you take him out, too? Can you continue running people over as long as they are closer than a block apart, starting from the protest? Hopefully, right?
I was thinking of the trucker who was pulled out of his truck and beaten to death during a riot.
What trucker was beaten to death during a riot? I can find info on a trucker who was beaten during a riot but was not killed (he was hospitalized, it was a bad beating).
Is there someone else?
I can see people actively seeking people with BLM t-shirts just crossing the street, only to run them over.
Note that in the Brionna Taylor killing, the fact that her boyfriend was shooting at the group of armed plainclothes men who burst their way into the house without warning in the middle of the night is almost never described as a SYG action, but rather is claimed as a justification for Taylor’s death.
I was thinking of the woman who was hospitalized for days after being run over during a white supremacist protest – her significant other is a poster here and told us about it. Another person was killed by the driver in that protest. That driver was convicted of first degree murder, but I guess would walk under these laws.
I am sometimes glad to have been mistaken.
I know there are a lot of emotions here, but where do some people get the idea that because it is a protest, people are allowed to obstruct traffic? If I stand in the middle of the road blocking traffic holding up a “Biden 2024” sign, should I be allowed to stand there indefinitely blocking traffic? What if it is me and ten of my friends? 100? 1,000? We are peaceful. Would the police be violating our first amendment rights by removing us?
Generally a motorist should not be able to mash the gas and knock me down like a bowling pin, but if I am standing there, with many people, obstructing their movement, at what point is it reasonable for the person to think that I might do them harm, especially if my peaceful protest has aspects of violence to it?
There is no length of time that protesters blocking a road would justify mowing them down with a vehicle. Being peacefully moved by police would not be violating your rights, but being murdered by a motorist would violate your rights. What seems to be happening is that GOP legislatures are frightened by peaceful protests by blacks and they’re dealing with it by issuing licenses to murder them. White mob tries to overthrow the government and murder the vice president and Speaker = A-OK, Blacks protest against being murdered by police = send out the jackboots.
No, not if you don’t have a permit.
At no point is it acceptable for a car to drive over protesters unless the driver was in genuine fear for their life, in which case they can make a self-defense claim.
I know there’s a lot of ridiculous hypotheticals here (one person somehow stopping all traffic indefinitely?), but where do some people get the idea that because you’re inconvenienced, it’s OK to run people over?
Where do you get the idea that anyone has that idea?
No, the police would not be doing so. However, you in your car is not the police, and you running them down is not “removing them.”
If that is all they are doing, then they are not going to do you harm, and it would be unreasonable to think that they are. As that is the overwhelming majority of protests, it would require either paranoia or wishful thinking to try to justify harming people for being in your way.
Not sure how you mean. But sure, if there is violence being directed at the car or occupants, then you should probably try to leave the area. Here’s a hint though: If you think that the people in front of your car are going to be violent, then you should try to go a different direction. Try backing up, or turning around. If you try to plow through, and they actually are violent, then they are going to drag you out of your car and kill you. It would only be in the case that they were not violent that you stand a chance(though it is also possible that your actions in trying to murder them may make a peaceful crowd become violent towards you, so no guarantee there).
I believe that is why the truck driver mentioned above, who, fortunately is alive, not dead, did not try to flee by driving through people.
I think the scenario here is being surrounded by a mob, beating on your car and threatening you.
I believe the best solution is to arrest and try both people beating on the vehicle and those running over people.
I don’t think the idea is that the GOP actually wants to see a body count build up, but rather, that it’s about deterrence. If protesters know that standing in the middle of the road means they can be run over at high speed without consequence, they will be much less likely to protest that way.
Of course, I imagine the law makes a huge delineation between striking a protester who’s in the middle of the road, and swerving off the road to hit someone standing off the road.
No, it is about body counts. The way these laws are written, they apply even to folks crossing the road in a crosswalk, with the “walk” signal on. All they’re trying to “deter” is the wrong sorts of people continuing to exist.
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