Of course, with the aristocracy siccing falcons on them after being flushed from the bushes by the peasants, that was all they really had.
I think there’s some points missed here. 1 Trump got 41% of Latin vote, and 25% Black. Surveys show that legal Latin residents oppose illegal immigration 2. Probably 90% of Latins are Catholic, so abortion rights would not be right for them. 3. Evangelicals, both white and black, and Latins, tend to be social conservatives, thus the progressive program is against their values. 4. climate change is not high on most voters mind. 5. White male pushback against reparations, Confederate statues, LGBTQ, as seen in FLA and Texas.
Isn’t fedman’s post just a longwinded way of saying “Many voters believe stupid things and vote against their own interests”?
That’s you assuming YOU know better than them what is in their “best interests”–typical white liberal elitist patronizing cant
Perhaps, but you’re not going to change them. So the reality is that Democrats will either have to a) figure out a way to appeal to these people, or b) close up shop.
And calling them all “uneducated” and “idiots” is the worst possible strategy, and only reinforces the perception that the Democratic Party has become elitist.
Moderating:
Both are pushing into attacking the poster and not the post. Please, both of you bring it back down.
What are people suggesting we do, stop supporting reproductive choice and gay and trans rights in order to appeal to voters with “conservative values”?
(Also, only 43% of US Hispanics identify as Catholic, and most American Catholics support abortion rights anyway, so that’s probably not the main problem)
No, it’s not a matter of abandoning principles or adopting new ones. It is a matter of putting more emphasis on certain principles, and less on others.
I’m glad you can answer that question with an unequivocal “no”. I would like to think that is true of everyone in this discussion.
I agree with you that an increased focus on bread and butter economic issues would serve us well.
Like breaking the railroad workers strike?
One of my college professor claimed that research showed that the problem is that poor workers view themselves as eventually rich workers thus they associate with the Republican Party even if their platform actively works against their need.
Also regarding race. some of the most ardent anti-illegal-immigration people I’ve met are Hispanics that legally immigrated to the United States because (in their words) they did it the right way. So an anti-illegal immigration message does get support from parts of the Hispanic community.
If Harris said she was going to work to get Janus overturned, the unions would have been rampaging for her.
Yet a mixed race man got elected twice In a row and a woman got the majority of the popular vote. Both quite recently actually.
So I don’t buy that folks voting against Harris because she is a bi-racial woman is a significant voting block.
Right- those things just aren’t very important to the vast majority of the electorate.
I mean, I bet a lot of them aren’t necessarily hateful to those things, but I also suspect that their focus is a lot more centered around their wallet, and less about some kind of rights for what they consider a (really strange) fringe group.
I think trans rights is a particularly idiotic hill for the Democratic party to die on. They ought to be beating the drum hard and fast for improving working class life and adding safety nets. THAT is where they should concentrate their efforts with voters.
Now I’m not saying they should abandon them, but definitely not make them a cornerstone of their campaigns. The vast majority of the people just don’t care as much about that as they do about inflation, taxation, etc.
Do you understand simple set theory?
There are people who wouldn’t vote for a black person (three of my siblings) and there are people who’d never vote for a woman (my parents). Overlapping but not subsets of each other.
My parents voted for Obama twice and for Biden. At least one of my siblings voted for Biden and Hilary.
All five voted for Trump this time. Including three of them who describe stump as a shit-stain or worse. My sister is a feminist, but also a horrible racist. She’s pro gay and trans rights, but racism trumps everything.
What’s changed is that being a racist, misogynistic, homophobe has become more socially unacceptable than it was for 20+ years.
OK, I’m sorry, but if you thought Democrats made trans rights a “cornerstone” of their campaign, we were watching very different campaigns. It was the Republicans who kept bringing it up.
In a perverse way, I’m finding peace in my recently adopted passive stance as an observer. I truly wish Trump and his followers are successful in enacting policies that will improve the lot of their supporters. I would be thrilled to be proven wrong (but I’d bet good money that I won’t be.)
But 3-4 years down the road when the economy is no better, prices are no lower, there are not more better jobs (in addition to what I anticipate will be - at the very least - “unpleasant” domestic and international policies) - do you think the folk who voted R will properly allocate the blame? IMO, for someone to support Trump - if they are not racist/etc, they are at the very least highly resistant to evidence or reason. It will be interesting to see if the Dems are able to figure out how to appeal to such folk. Me, I’ll be on the golf course! 
Yeah. I know. I spelled pheasants instead of peasants . Late hour.
Yes when I googled a polling place location there were literal google searches about what election is being held today and I also saw screenshots where people were asking the day of the election who was running for president. That kind of obliviousness is crazy!
At the very least, it certainly can’t be telling the whole story.