Oh, give me a break. You really, honestly think that, absent your intervention, Otto is going to do the same thing with his next iPod? You really think you’re helping him out here? Of course he’s arguing with you. Someone stole his iPod, and then you come into his thread tutting your tongue at him like someone’s mom. You think he’s even going to listen to you at this point, now that you’ve got his back up? C’mon. You just want to poke at the guy, poke at him. But this, “I’m just trying to offer constructive criticism,” pose is bullshit.
No I fucking didn’t. Not only do you insist on being a dick to a crime victim, you feel the need to lie about him too?
“Come let us reason together” my ass. The first fucking thing off of your keyboard was pretty much ‘too bad but you deserved it.’ Wrap that up after the fact with all the phony sympathy and “come let us sit and reason” that you want, that doesn’t change the fact that you’re pretty much saying I got what I deserved for, after owning the thing for approximately 10,000 hours, leaving the thing out of my sight for less than one.
I think Scylla’s being a jackass. Sure, I try to keep my items in my sight “at all times” like the subway announcement says. But sometimes I’m tired so I’ll slap my backpack next to me on the seat and doze for a few stops. Everyone has lapses of judgement. What do you want from Otto, a long-winded confession that he’s not perfect? The only difference is that his lapse led to a huge misfortune. What’s the last stupid thing you did? Doesn’t mean he deserves what he got. Sheesh.
In fact, I can see my coworker’s new nano ipod for just about 8 hours straight every day from my desk while I’m at work. I’ve left my wallet on my desk when I run upstairs, to meetings, etc. When I think back to all my office jobs, yes even temping ones, I recall how EASY it would have been to case the place, as people leave their bags, coats, and personal items all over the place. Offices can become like small families. And while your brother might sneak into your room and snitch your porn, so an officemate can nance into your cubicle and swipe your ipod. Is it cool? No. But it’s also not as wholly predictable as you’re making it seem.
Yes. You fucking did:
“If someone posted about being raped and Scylla or someone else came in and said that an action the rape victim took was like posting a sign that said “rape me,” the outrage would be universal. Yet as a victim of a robbery I get blamed for it and called an asshole for calling the person blaming me for getting robbed an asshole.”
post #67.
“Come let us reason together” my ass. The first fucking thing off of your keyboard was pretty much ‘too bad but you deserved it.’
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No. Now it is you who are lying. The first fucking thing off my keyboard was:
“I sympathize with you, but you left it on a desk and went to a meeting?”
At no point did I say that. Yet another lie. Nor do I think it. I know that if our situations were reversed, I would blame the thief, but I would also blame myself for my carelessness.
Your OP, and every single subsequent post is hostile to the idea that you have made an error. If such is pointed out, you immediately get all up on a cross and go on about victimhood and what have you. You ignore helpful suggestions, and you’ve ignored my posts and parts of posts where I’ve commisserated with you, and called me names.
I’ll leave you to wallow in the self pity of victimization and moral outrage. Good luck with it.
Sucks, Otto, I hope you left a lot of earwax on the ear buds.
I was reading the paper today and noticed in the police blotter that 1/3 of the incidents- robberies, car break-ins, thefts- involved iPods! If you have an iPod, you’re a fool to let anyone know. They ARE NOT good fashion statements. Remember all those stories about kids getting robbed for their Air Jordans? Well, now they’ve actually got something more useful to steal and a million white-earbudded yuppies and histpers to choose from. Why would you let anyone but your closest friends know you regularly carry around something worth hundreds of bucks?
Who the hell leaves their iPod in the car and expects it not to get broken in to and stolen? People around here will break in to your car for your loose change. If you had $200.00 cash on you, would you start counting it on the bus? Would you leave it visible in your car? Would you leave it on your desk while you jaunted off at a meeting?
I have consistently talked about rape as an analogy, not an equivalence. I have never said that being raped was the same as being stolen from. What I have said is that blaming the victim of a theft for being robbed sucks and that blaming the victim of a rape also sucks. Never said that theft and rape were exactly the same thing. Never said that blaming a theft victim was exactly the same as blaming a rape victim.
How fucking convenient that you left off the rest of that post, the line about posting a sign saying “free iPod.” I guess telling the entire story doesn’t serve your little purpose.
I said that you pretty much said it. Your attitude from post one was that I had no right to expect that my stuff not be taken because it was left unattended for a short period of time.
And good luck with your intellectual dishonesty and phony moral superiority. Looking forward to your shutting the fuck up.
And just who is being a dick? You’re a fucking victim? No, shithead. Someone that suffers rape is a victim. What you “suffered” is either stupidity, a temporary lack of common fucking sense, or simple absent-mindedness. Nothing that equates to a violent crime or biology.
Though I do take heart in one thing. Thanks to our doctor we’ll have a child before you ever see your fucking toy again. Do you still not see that you have some culpability here? What a poor, innocent victim you are.
Anyone want to get a charity auction going? We must all help out Ottos’s complete lack of judgement. I did feel bad for you at one point. Now? Not so much.
When you nuy the new one, keep in mind it fits in your pocket. Just saying.
You really don’t. It’s the truth. If we could expect that that were always the case houses, cars, and offices would not have locks on them.
If they could people would take your last dime. If you don’t want it to happen to you you have an obligation to safeguard your stuff. I admit that it’s a cynical view of the world, but the best way to keep from being victimized is to not put yourself in the position of being a victim in the first place.
Get it the fuck right. Robbery is closer to rape if you want to make an analogy. Rape is violent. Robbery has the threat of violence, if not the actual violence. You made the theft/rape analogy, now saying that theft by robbery is what you suffered, then say that theft isn’t the same as rape. Do you think you’re a victim of theft or robbery? If it’s theft, the rape angle should be dropped immediately. You’re talking about 3 different crimes here. How the 3 can somehow be tied together into one analogy is confusing. I’m sure I know what you mean, but the past few days have broken me of assuming the intent/meaning of a post.
3rd paragraph of the infamous post #37. That argument didn’t go over so well.
Oh for fuck’s sake. Did you get a law degree at some point? Am I using “robbed” from a strictly legal, all-elements-of-the-crime-must-be-fulfilled-before-I-use-the-word sense? No. It’s an easily understood term to indicate that property of mine was taken. What would you prefer I say? “I was thieved”? “I was thefted”? Is my describing the end result of a theft as “being robbed” really the peg upon which you want to hang your pointy hat? Are you really that incapable of making an actual point, that you have to resort to that?
Oh, wait, I’ve read your posts…you are that incapable of making an actual point.
And just for the record, to ease your tiny mind, the relevant Wisconsin statute is 943.20(1)(a):
Does that make you happy? Are you all sated now, and able to get a good night’s sleep, secure in the knowledge that we now all know the legal definition of the crime that was committed?
How about “burgled?” Nobody ever uses “burgled” anymore.
You’re the one confusing theft and robbery, then equating it to rape. Which statute did you quote? Theft or robbery? BTW, the correct term would be any of the following. “I lost my iPod to theft.” “A theif stole my iPod.” “Theivery cost me an iPod.” There, three phrases that have nothing to do with robbery. That you equated to rape. And then insist meant the same. Even though you said theft and rape aren’t equivalent.
But you admit nothing I can ever say is worthy of your blind hatred.
Yes, yes I can sleep better now. Knowing people like you don’t like me makes me rest well.
Goodnight
Have I been away from the BBQ pit for too long or did this thread degenerate in a particularly ugly manner?
My two cents:
Usually, when people post about something getting stolen from them, one can reasonably assume that they know if they have been negligent and that they are not going to make them feel better hearing that it’s partly their fault. It does not matter if it’s the truth (it’s obviously debatable).Furthermore, it’s probably not your ‘advice’ that is going to make them ‘see the light’ and change their behavior or whatever.
Bottom line is: Your comments are just going to anger / frustrate the theft victim who, I am sure, is already frustrated and angry enough already. But maybe you already know all this and you’re just bored or something and you want to start a flamewar.
Oh god no! Not “burgled”! “Burgled” means that someone went into a building without the consent of the person in lawful possession of the building with the intent to steal or commit a felony. Since the scumfucker in question would have had permission to be in the building, I can’t say I was “burgled” because then duffer would have a simultaneous heart attack and stroke.
Oh my fucking god. You’re actually going to continue to cling to this like it means something. You’re actually going to pretend that in common parlance outside of a police station or court room it actually makes a difference whether I said “theft” or “robbed.”
Let’s try one more time to set this to rest, and then maybe you can stop pretending like you’re making some sort of huge rhetorical score with it.
As of the posting of this message, I hearby now and for all time renounce the use of the word “rob,” along with such similar words including but not limited to “robbed,” “robber,” “robbery” and “robbing,” in conection with the unlawful taking of my iPod. While it was never my intent to muddy the discussion and mislead dumbasses including but not limited to duffer by my use of the word or any of its derivations, clearly there are some people who are so incredibly rock goddamn stupid that the use of the word as it is often used in common English usage is so mind-bogglingly confusing that my usage caused them to fixate on it like a particularly stupid magpie spotting a shiny scrap of foil.
Is that good enough, fuckwad? Are you ready to stop pretending like the use of the word “robbed” was so staggeringly beyond the grasp of normal human comprehension that pointing it out actually has some meaning? In other words, are you over it yet?
And for the last fucking time, for you and for everyone as spectacularly, bone-wrenchingly stupid as you, I did not say that theft (or robbery if you moronicly insist) is exactly the same as rape. I was drawing a comparison between the two to illustrate the fucked up attitude held by Scylla toward the victim of a crime. Blaming the victim of a theft (or for that matter the victim of a robbery) is similar to but not the same as blaming a rape victim for being raped.
Fucking Christ!
Look, if I buy you a fucking iPod, will you ask that this thread be closed so that it may die the death it fucking deserves? I mean hell, extra cash is a little scarce at the casa de Euthanasia right at the moment, and my current wardrobe clearly reflects that (I make Napoleon Dynamite look like fucking Remington Steele), but fuck, whatever it takes so I don’t have to come into the Pit and see this pool of congealed monkey spunk floating at the top of the forum any longer.
Absolutely.
What kind of idiot would leave an iPod unattended in an area of unknown people? Reminds me of the time I saw a guy leave his dog unattended and go into a Dead Show.
Maybe your iPod deserved to be liberated.
Next time just go all in with 72o Otto.
I actually felt bad for you when I read the OP but after reading your responses now I posess a slight sick twisted smug satisfaction that a jerk got what he deserved…
You got mail, motherfu… my friend.