I don’t know that’s exactly what happened of course, but we know for sure they worked at the same place. I know everyone here just wants to dismiss that, but it is a huge clue. Like I always say a real investigation would answer these questions. A real detective would see that they worked at the same place and do some digging.
And one would presume all of this info will come out in time.
Police investigations take more than a few days for something that has so much attention.
I know, that’s what I’m trying to say. The protests are premature, this was a personal thing between two criminals, one was a cop. It wasn’t just a random black man like is being made out. This point matters.
Again…you seem to think that if it is learned that Floyd was trying to knowingly pass a fake $20 bill then all the protests are for no reason since the cop had a valid reason to detain him.
I am trying, again, to tell you the protests are NOT about arresting a guy passing fake money but for a police officer slowly killing him once he was detained despite numerous people pleading with the officer to stop.
Even if the officer had 100% solid reason to arrest Floyd he had no reason to strangle him to death.
I am really not sure what you are missing about this.
He definitely knew he had fake $20’s. I don’t know if you have paid cash recently, but they have been checking $20’s for that shit for years in stores now. Now you may get one fake, but to go back in and then get flagged with another fake is a whole nother story. Then you add in the cop, whom he just happened to work at the same place with, and the thing stinks.
I’m saying this is not a case of a random black man being killed by the cops, and the protesters are protesting the wrong thing.
We are really looking at the corruption of a whole police department. Internal should have been all over this form the get go.
This wasn’t a racial killing. It was personal, but the killer was a cop and he knew he had the blue wall to protect him. It’s corruption from the top down. That is what we should be protesting.
You really do not know that right now.
Bullshit. They were filmed choking an African-American to death, they KNEW they were being filmed choking an African-American to death, and they made no move to cover it up because they thought that they could get away with choking an African-American to death due to all the other cops getting away with killing African-Americans. Quit seeking weak ass excuses to look the other way.
…and only one honest FBI agent in a world of corrupt cops can expose the truth!
Seriously, it sounds like the plot of a Lethal Weapon or Beverly Hills Cop sequel that got stuck in development hell:
Racist White Cop: (walks up to George Floyd) Hey dude! You look shifty enough for my purposes and I’ll bet you like money! How’s about we print up some fake $20 bills?
George Floyd: Work with a corrupt cop who has a pile of complaints against him for excessive force so I can print up pocket change? Sure, where do I sign up?
Racist White Cop: I’ll give you the fake paper and you go ahead and change it for real money at convenience stores around town. But don’t get caught! If I hear about a “fraud in progress” I’m going to make my way to that crime scene and personally break your neck!
Is that what happened?
My guess is that the conspiracy theories are far-fetched. If the cop wanted to murder Floyd he picked a very strange way to do it. He’d have to know he was ruining his life even if acquitted of murder. I think he was just too stupid to realize that his action was lethal.
And if Floyd was a professional passer of funny money, would he be stupid enough to try the same place 10 minutes after they’d rejected the note?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence. The titty bar, with bouncerS inside and bouncerS outside, was evidently a large club with many employees. For two of the neighborhood’s ruffians to both work there is not unlikely.
I was going to reply to split p&j directly, but I think it would be a waste of time. He has no source for anything, other than a fervid imagination.
Thanks for starting my day with a great laugh. I needed it!
You were pretty sure that that was what happened a few posts ago.
The fact that they worked in the same place may have some bearing on why officer POS murdered Floyd, sure. He may have known him for some reason and had some sort of hatred for him already.
That could come out in an investigation, and is entirely plausible, if not yet proven.
Your contention is that they were in a conspiracy together, and that officer POS killed his partner in crime to keep him from talking.
Most interactions with law enforcement will involve at least one criminal. No one is disputing that Floyd handed the cashier a fake $20 for some smokes.
The problem here is that there were two criminals, one of whom was the cop, and that one being the violent murdering type of criminal.
If we are going for speculation, then my best guess is that the $20 came from a visitor to the strip club, and that Floyd was tipped out with it. He didn’t know it was fake, wanted some smokes, so he tried to buy some. They rejected it, so he sat in his car for a minute, and then went in to try again. Not out of nefarious intent, but because that was the $20 that he had to buy smokes with, and he really wanted smokes.
I wonder if the stripper that tipped him with the fake knew. If so, I wonder how shitty she feels about setting him up to be murdered.
Officer POS shows up, maybe he’s jealous of Floyd because Floyd is an inside worker who gets to stand around and watch naked girls while POS has to stand out in the rain. Maybe that is what incentivizes him to choose to teach this guy a lesson, hurt him, humiliate him, degrade and dehumanize him. He goes too far and kills him.
I will still say that he would not have treated a white guy in the same fashion. Both from his point of view of being prejudiced against minorities, and his understanding of the societal view that minorities lives are not worth as much, and so he could get away with it.
If Floyd had not died, if he had simply been tormented and debased, would we have heard about it? Would anyone have cared? Probably not.
Once again, I will say that that is entirely speculation based on my current knowledge of the case. But it fits much better than your phony money laundering conspiracy.
The corruption is exactly what is being protested. Corruption and racism do go hand in hand. The blue wall that protects him protects all racists on the police force.
I have no reason at all to believe that officer POS intended to kill Floyd. Maybe he’s such a genius that he knows that murdering in the stupidest way possible makes it look like he’s too stupid to have intended to have killed him, but that’s way far down a rabbit hole of unfounded speculation.
He intended to harm, humiliate, degrade and dehumanize. He intended to show a message to other black folk not to get out of line or disrespect his authority.
I don’t know that the fact that they worked together didn’t have anything to do with it. Officer POS may have already had a reason to have a beef with Floyd. But, that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t racist in nature, and in some ways, makes that more likely, IMHO.
I think it’s bigger than that. I think over time, there’s been a shift from police being part of the communities they serve, to considering themselves to be something else, something less of a “protecting and serving *my *community”, and instead more of a self-perception that everyone out there is against them, and violent death lurks around every corner and in everyone they deal with, especially if those people happen to be black men.
But it’s not strictly limited to black men- I’m a fat, middle aged white guy with almost militarily short hair who drives a well-kept, if old pickup truck. Hardly the kind of person that cops should perceive as a threat, right? I got pulled over a while back for an expired inspection sticker, and the cop came to the truck with hand on gun. For a routine stop of an absolutely non-threatening person. It clearly only gets worse from there for people of color.
And that’s the problem. Here in Dallas there have been 84 officers killed in the line of duty… over nearly 100 years. And there are 3000+ officers working for DPD. So the odds of getting killed are extremely low- I’d imagine they actually run a higher risk of getting killed in an automobile accident than in a violent shooting. But they have this militaristic mentality that it’s us vs. them, or that “civilians” are all law-breakers.
I kind of think they ought to have them go back to being stationed in the worst parts of town and literally walking a beat. It’s one thing to patrol the white parts of town in a patrol car, but in parts of South Dallas, those guys need to be engaged with the community and aware of what’s going on, not just driving between incidents. I think that method of policing reinforces the cops’ mentality in that all they see is the dark side of things- every interaction is negative. If they were walking around hanging out with people, they’d see that the communities and people are NOT all criminals or looking out for criminals.
This. 100%
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For one, as lots of other people have said, there’s no proof at this point that it was personal; and nothing whatsoever in the form of actual public evidence to support a theory that the two were involved in some scheme to pass counterfeits. Sure, further thorough investigation – which certainly ought to be done, but which will take some time to do – might turn up any of all sorts of connections. Or it might not turn up anything more than connections on the level of ‘I know I’ve seen that guy around somewhere’.
For two in this post, but for the main point: the cop probably expected the blue wall to protect him – as they did while the murder was happening, even if it broke down later on – specifically because Floyd was black. So whether or not it was personal, it was racist. One doesn’t preclude the other.
Middle aged white guy driving a 10 year old 4 cylinder Toyota Highlander with elementary school stickers on the back, at 7am Sunday morning. When I got pulled over for expired registration the cop’s partner also got out and positioned himself strategically in my blind spot with his hand on his gun too.
Ubiquitous guns are a screwing with our society in many ways, cops treating routine interactions like imminent firefights is just one of them.
Are there any cities that have good models of how to do it, if not well, at least not so poorly?
My impression is depressing but it seems like the best intentioned and smartest mayors still have issues with police abuse of power with excessive force often applied through lenses that perceive Black men as a threat as the default.
I doubt we here are going to create great action plans but surely some cities serve as decent models?
I’ve read that the Dallas police department was doing a stellar job in this front in recent years (up until the Amber Guyger shooting of Botham Jean.)
Related question- the Obama era saw the creation of a task force and a plan. Obama's Policing Task Force Releases Recommendations
What happened from there? Did cities act on it? Was it just shelved? Were items tried and made no difference?