True. It could be the fictional Stan’s misconception rather than Eminem’s, for all we know.
Ooooooooh. Is THAT why the kids call what used to be “white knighting” “stanning”?
I agree with your general view. I would like to point out Spanish monarchs wanted to know about these people and Codeces were written with native help to inform monarchs of the nature of their new vassals. Priests at the time were very much warning people back home about the indignities Spanish soldiers delivered on native populations. And all of these people came from the same time period and national stock of a people just finished with conquest on one peninsula only to take it to two continents.
Perhaps if you believed the Sun God needed hearts to keep the rains coming you’d be cool with it, but the sacrifice situation was horrific and your wading into Noble Savage territory by apologizing for it.
Yes it is.
The geographical center of Boston is in Roxbury. Due north of the center we find the South End. This is not to be confused with South Boston which lies directly east from the South End. North of the South End is East Boston and southwest of East Boston is the North End.
I’m thinking Johnny Horton took a wee bit of artistic license in his telling of “The Battle of New Orleans”:
We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannonballs ‘n’ powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind
When I first started working in Boston, I kind of gave up for a while on making sense of any of it. Other than the north side of my town was facing east, and the east side was facing south.
Don’t be silly. If you put cannonballs in an alligator’s mouth, and light gunpowder around his tail, he’s clearly going to die.
That band also has a song about the lowest highest point (by state) in the United States, and they get that wrong too.
Horrific, yes. More horrific than other kinds of war, no, not really; we’re just used to the horrors of pitched battle and siege.
I hardly think I am apologizing for it.
You are comparing horror and implying Spanish Christians didn’t like one (sacrifice) because they weren’t used to it and alright with others they are familiar with and the savagery that did happen regularly should be accepted as a cultural difference.
You do this from your couch. And I didn’t say you WERE doing it, you’re just testing the waters at this moment.
None of that matters, though. What really matters is whether the water in the Charles River is actually dirty.
It was at the time the song was written. They were working in cleaning it up, but didn’t get serious until 1965
I absolutely stand by that. The Spanish, need I remind you, killed plenty of “infidels” in the name of their God at the very same time. Flaying a Jew in the name of Jesus was righteous, but flaying a captive in the name of Xipe Totec was horrific. Of course that difference is down to cultural practices, and of course the reason we see one as significantly more horrific than the other is down to cultural familiarity.
However, I object to this bit:
Neither should be accepted as a cultural difference. We can condemn both late medieval Spain as well as the Aztec empire. We can also understand the societal contexts in which humans are driven to act in extreme ways.
I am not here saying, “the Aztecs weren’t that bad”. I am here saying, “The people spending so much time writing about how horrific the Aztecs were did so for practical reasons and we should take their perspective into account when we consider their narrative” or “Cortez and his ilk wouldn’t hesitate to “sacrifice” hundreds of peasants and their crops in order to starve out the lord of a castle - that’s how siege warfare worked”.
Human sacrifice on that level is pretty unique. There is quite a difference between killing one another in battle, and human sacrifice.
The 351 Winchester Self-Loading weapon can be described as a carbine , even tho Winchester called it a rifle. That cartridge is just a tad more powerful than .30 carbine and less powerful than 30/30. Calling that gun a carbine is not that big of an error. But you are correct about the rest.
They were evil killers, and died like the dogs they were.
Sink the Bismarck- “On her deck were guns as big as steers and shells as big as trees”. No, just the other way around.
And there’s quite a difference between killing one another in battle and razing a village to the ground. Or flaying people alive because they worship the same deity through the wrong lens. Again, it’s very telling that what is put into or left out of the narrative.
Are you just a substitute? ![]()
Speaking of Boston, if his wife can pass poor Charlie a sandwich, she can pass him a nickle.
Even as a small child I asked this. But I’ll still vote for George O’Brien.
Just like there’s no region in Canada known as “southern Canada.” There’s Atlantic Canada, the Maritimes, Central Canada, the Prairies, Western Canada, and the North, but no Southern Canada.
I wondered about that when we sang that song in elementary school!