I wonder if Klaatu has sobered up yet?
That’s the funniest part of the thread for me.
Ha! I missed that.
Yes, Klaatu, it’s true - there *are *women who can kick your ass. True fact.
That doesn’t make you any less of a man, though. What *does *is the attitude toward them that you’re demonstrating here.
I’ve seen a lot of guys who get het up about this kind of thing, and to a one they were all bloated fat lazy pieces of shit. I think they’re driven by the same impulse that makes toothless Bubba working at the gas station cling to the idea of white supremacy. It’s obvious they have nothing particularly exceptional about themselves, so they tell themselves that they belong to a group which is better than everyone else.
Yeah, but I have it on good authority that women are ultimately to blame for them being fat lazy pieces of shit.
While the OP is being an idiot, this particular post is asinine.
The SEALS do far more than just “aiming and pulling triggers”.
All the links are dead, but I was going by professional sports where strength is an element, and where the best of women are not in the same league as the best of men (also, a SEAL called Juliette is just wrong)
Doesn’t matter. Soldiers don’t have to be particularly strong. They’re not bludgeoning their enemies to death with trees. They just have to be able to carry equipment.
Although, that should totally be a thing.
Where do you think this grand old tradition came from? 
So what?
A WNBA player might not be able to hang with Jordan, but she’d kick my sorry ass (and the asses of 99% of the men in the country) up and down the court.
We’re not measuring by the absolute peak of physical ability but by what is necessary to accomplish missions. SEALs are certainly good physical specimens, but they’re not all physically perfect Adonii who’d otherwise be Olympic class athletes (they mostly aren’t, actually). And, unlike professional sports, there’s no hard limit to how many people can participate, so it’s not like a woman is taking the place of a man with better qualifications.
It’s fucking ridiculous that this kind of argument is still being made in the 21st century. Have I hit a time warp?
OP could be Glenn Beck, only sweatier, older and even more out of shape. In other words, completely unfit for the topic by which he loudly, enthusiastically, and vehemently spouts blowhard opinions about.
If someone could pass this woman a Bud right now after reading this thread, I’d be very grateful. Or two Buds, preferably.
I was wondering what the OP was referring to with regard to “buds” so I Googled it. This webpage describes the Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training. There’s no way I could do it, but presumably there are women in the Navy who could.
Every single link worked for me, and trust me, not only could those women kick your ass, they could kick everyone’s ass on this entire board at the same time. I have no doubt they could be Seals.
Yeah, this explains a lot.
The links didn’t work for me either, but I recognized the names as female bodybuilders, who really aren’t the women that would be the best fit for a role like the SEALS. Bodybuilders go for size, not necessarily strength or flexibility. A real badass (male or female) will take out a bodybuilder 99 times out of a 100. They are intimidating, for sure, but looks can be deceiving. This isn’t to say that bodybuilders aren’t strong, but I’d pick a powerlifter or an MMA fighter over a bodybuilder (male or female) to make your point.
I don’t think admission is based on a curve. They don’t take the ones that failed by the least. They take the ones that pass, if noone passes then noone gets in.
Lets just agree that mental and emotional fortitude are at least as important as as physical strength and endurance. Most people don’t fail BUDS training, they quit. I have an acquaintance who was honor man and he is not a big dude.
I think so, if they want it bad enough.
20-25% of people who start BUDS finish. Most of those who don’t make it don’t fail, they quit.
And lets not confuse navy seals with seal team 6. There are 2500 Navy seals. I think there might be room for ONE woman in there. If you took the top 2500 athletes in most sports that don’t emphasize upper body strangth, I bet there is at least ONE woman amongst them. If that sport is mostly mental, I bet there are a lot of women.
Thats what they do. Klaatu’s complaint seems to be that the seal instructors will let the women get more sleep than the men or make the women swim one mile while the men swim 2. I don’t buy it. I think he just has a problem with the notion of women in special forces.
I stopped feeling that way after watching private Jenette Vasquez kick ass in Aliens.
And lets face it, there are plenty of situations where having a woman on patrol in hostile territory might be useful for interrogating other women and shit like that.
It appears that you’re mistaken.
Though it’s definitely true that the percentage of women who meet the strength, speed and size requirements for SEALS will be much lower than the corresponding percentage of men, we should note that some other criteria involve areas where men typically perform worse than women for physiological reasons, such as cold/wet exposure endurance and pain tolerance.
While we’re railing against any “degrading” of standards in order to let women become SEALS via “girls’ rules”, let’s not forget that a few of the standards might actually be naturally higher by “girls’ rules”. We tend to assume that the physical capabilities of males are the norm for human beings, so anything that females on average can physically do better than males gets discounted as unimportant.