Sould we adopt my system of government for America?

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Even if that was true, what you propose would destroy wealth entirely. Did you think factories appeared magically because the masses wished hard enough? Do you think the factories now in place in the U.S. will keep functioning after all the managerial and entrepreneurial types are “processed”?

And throughout history is was much much worse. The current system has its flaws, naturally, but during the same timeframe the U.S. came to economic superpower-hood, infant mortality dropepd incredibly. Hell, you could be rich in 19th-century America and still watch half your children die before adulthood.

Contradition. Protecting someone by definition denies them a choice (don’t want to be killed while crossing the street? Fine, from now on, driver’s cannot choose to ignore red lights). The freedom offered by total protection is that of the womb, which is fine if you think everyone would be happier reduced to a body floating in a warm liquid, without a care in the world.

I reject your plan, in part because I think you see it as a way for you to get power over other human beings, and I see nothing that shows you ahve the wisdom or maturity to good use. If you have (or ever will have) children, I really hope you’re not teaching them lessons based on this garbage.

No, I want a lot of each, and I’m willing to accept compromises when they start to interfere with each other.

Such people should be introduced to the democratic/capitalist system immediately, which has proven the least oppressive of political/economic models.

What is being crushed, the U.S. or the new system? If it’s the U.S., who is crushing it? If it’s the new system, good! Stupidity deserves to be crushed.

I will not work with you under any conditions toward any goal because I don’t trust you. I don’t recognize any such blood. If anything, we should be helping these people to be more like us, instead of changing ourselves (note, I’m lumping the U.S. and Canada together on this one, because a dumbass scheme in one country will affect the other) into something completely idiotic.

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From Hydrocortisone

Oh, good god. Not the ‘people are starving in Africia so we need to put in draconian measure in America and eat our dead to solve the worlds problems’ gambit again. :slight_smile: Seems like I hear this arguement every week at the pub…

I suppose it never occured to you that, while thousands may be dieing of starvation in the world atm (a horrible thing IMO, and something I WOULD like to see a realistic plan to help) that literally MILLIONS or even tens of MILLIONS would die if you ever actually tried to serious implement your nightmare plan. Hell, I would beg, borrow or steal a gun myself and take to the hills with my wife and kids before I’d ever allow such an abomination. You just don’t get it do you? Just the part about taking the kids from their parents, artificial insemination, etc, would doom your plan. Its not a SOCIAL thing…its fucking hard wired into our beings man. Wake up! There are literally millions of years of evolution behind it…its a survival instinct for gods sake, and the care and protection of our children is hard wired into us.

We won’t even talk about the psudo-socialist/facist things you mentioned, and what THEY would do to the rightwing crowd. Anny C, go get your gun!!

So, to save a few thousand starving children you would kill millions and millions of people? Does the term ‘penny wise and pound foolish’ mean anything to you?

Its appearent you have no idea what the word ‘freedom’ actually means. Let me explain it as I think of it, in respect of your assertion towards wealth. In America as it currently is, you can be born rich or poor, or more likely somewhere in the middle classes. Thats your starting point, and there are certain advantages associated with how high up the ladder you start, no doubt about that. However, its not a FIXED system…i.e. Rich guys can certainly become poor or middle class (I know several that HAVE in fact) or they can become even richer, or even stay the same. Same goes for middle class and the poor. THATS freedom…its up to YOU to make your way in the world. It might be HARDER to be born poor and become rich, but its far from impossible in our system.

By and large, Americans LIKE this system. They consider it fair for the most part. Its fairly well understood that, if you work hard enough anyone can pretty much do anything in this country, can go from being dirt poor to being rich…if they really want it bad enough. Certainly luck plays a part too.

Now…as for Africa and starving children. How does your system fix that? We ALREADY send aid to Africa, in case it slipped your notice. So does Europe. So, unless you are saying that, with your totalitarian government we propose to simply send in our army, wipe out all the fighting factions, and impose our twisted form of government on them, I don’t see how America being a totalitarian nightmare helps starving children in Africa…not one bit. Oh…a thought. Are you saying you would send over the millions of dead you got when you first attempted to impose this here for them to feed upon? And then continue to send over our dead surplus of all those who can’t be properly ‘adjusted’ to conform to your ideas? American ‘made’ Africa chow? Well, I suppose you WILL have an aweful lot of folks to wack, but I’m not sure how you will sustain such a thing…there are only so many American’s to go around after all, and I’m betting millions and millions would die before you could process them initially…we tend to ‘spoil’ fairly fast in our climate.

-XT

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Maybe you should make it illegal for the 1% to work and make anymore wealth, so the other 99% have a crack at it, and then the starving will be able to work for their chow. Of course for this to work, then we (USA) will have to take over every country on the face of this earth to institute your “radical idea” (for lack of a better term), because their are dictators, aristocrats, and other “crats” who would be interested in becoming the 1% before any relief reaches their starving countrymen.

I guess the Middle East is a good place to start since we’re already there. Do we have the manpower and the ability to take over every country and avoid nuclear confrontation so we can institute this grand idea of yours?

Whose blood are we talking about?
I’m still waiting for your forced impregnation response…that is still a very weak link in your whacked governmental experiment.

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This is an excellent idea!

Oh wait, you’re talking about humans?

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If it’s constitutional amedments we need, well, again, we’ll have to contend with the monkey problem before we need worry about hyro’s private little hell.

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TO amend my last post,

the only way Hydro would have any chance of getting this implemented would be incredibly subtly. Giving everyone lobotmies would work as well.

For me, and for a lot of people, it seems another way of saying “Imagine an iron boot stamping on the human spirit forever” from 1984. That’s exactly what you are propropsing. A society of robots, or insect drones, not human beings. They may have h

Assuming(and it’s a really huge assumption) for the sake of arguement, your system was just and proper and needed. Let’s also make the equally huge assumption that it could actually be implemented.

The society you describe would require a 100% effiency to keep on functioning, something that no human institution to date has done. Particulary since you are talking about something the scale of the US government and next the world, it implies that you are suffering from a major case of quixotism. Your ideals are far greater then your common sense or sense of reality.

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If its means no more George Bush I’m all for it

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[b[ Hydro ** Don’t forget us poor dowtrodden masses in the UK when your system is implemented…we want * IN *

ps. Can I shag Meg Ryan before the great day?

Just asking, no offence meant.

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So, regarding the title of this thread: “Sould [sic] we adopt my system of government for America?”

The consensus seems to be “No. Of course not. What kind of stupid question is that?”

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Never seen such a concensus on this board…this has got to be some kind of record. Absolutely NO ONE was in favor of this idea, reguardless of ideology. Good job Hydrocortisone…you did what they said couldn’t be done…you united the SDMB behind a unified consensus!! Woot…you go bro!! :slight_smile:

-XT

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But some people will be more equal than others.

(Geez, I can’t believe no one’s made an Animal Farm reference yet)

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Well, pearls before swine Cerri. No point wasting the good stuff on Hydro. :slight_smile:

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Hey, I made an animal farm reference! :stuck_out_tongue:
(Well, more of an allusion than a reference to be honest.) :slight_smile:

Anyway, since there does seem to be a concensus, as Bryan Ekers andxtisme have pointed out, how about letting this absurd thread descend to the abyss of the board

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I have a question. How would the OP keep people from forming relationships? Is everyone going to be drugged all the time? How are they going to work if they are drugged? How in the world are you going to keep people from having sex? The OP wants people to work together, yet have no relationships. Maybe I am just not smart enough to grasp the concept. I think I will take my chances with democracy.

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Whoops I missed that. I have out lived my usefulness. Off to be processed!

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I am beginning to think that my system will more difficult to start than I thought, because people are unwilling to look at the big picture. They are too selfish. However, I don’t think my system can or should be stopped. In the future if humans do not adopt my system humans and computers/machines will combine, then we can never have a truly free society. And the human/computer-organisms will still hold too much of the destructive parts of the humanity, they will then evolve to only machines. There are only two ways this can go:

  1. The destruction of the humanity through the evolution of machine life
  2. Humans adopt my system

As you can see only one of the options allows for humanity to survive.

Also ever day we don’t adopt my system is another day that babies are born in too a situation were they not equal. I don’t understand how everyone is so willing to prevent children from having a fair chance at life. I think it might be because adults don’t really want children to have it better than they do. They see that my system will allow children to have chances they never did.

I for one can’t wait until every child is born with an equal chance to succeed.

I for one find it terrible that some babies that are born today will die today- why don’t you?

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How are you going to make everyone see “the big picture”?

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Resistance is futile.:slight_smile:

Please, please let this thread die. In addition to agreeing that none of us buys into this plan, I think we can also agree that HC is not serious. Let the collective whoooooosh end!

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For the last time I am serious. Look I know this all sounds crazy, but we need an extreme solution if we are going to solve all the problems of the world and create a system were everyone is equal. Maybe it will not be possible to solve all the world’s problems and create a system were everyone is equal, but we have to try.

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Once more, unto the breech…

HC, can’t you see that NO ONE…absolutely NO ONE, agrees with even part of your plan. And these are posters that run the gamit of the political spectrum. You’ve had left wingers, right wingers and moderates in this thread…and every one of them has basically said the same thing. Your ‘plan’ is nuts. I would be shocked and appalled if 1% of the total population of the earth would go for your great ‘plan’. But lets use that as a base figure, just for arguement sake. Say that 1% of the population of the earth would actually go for your great plan. What do you propose to do with the other 99%? Kill them off? Kill them to save them?? You aren’t proposing something merely ‘radical’…you are proposing something that Makes Hitler and Stalin look SANE.

Personally, your assurances aside, I think that you are secretly laughing behind your hand, as the woosh continues. However, if thats not the case, and you truely believe this crap…well, I have nothing to further offer you. If you can’t or won’t actually study human nature, philosophy, political and economic systems (both the ones that work and the ones that failed), maybe even actually check out the human conditons you are beating your chest over (i.e. have YOU ever been poor? I have. Have you ever lost a child or a loved one? I have. Maybe when you do, you will understand better), then you will live in your fantasy world forever I’m afraid.

Well, I’m out of here…last post for me in this nutzo thread.

Reguards,
XT