This is purely an idea I am throwing out with no proof one way or the other, but I would bet if you asked a bunch of young men/boys how many were sexually active it would be skewed towards more sex because they think it makes them cool. Now it’s absolutely deplorable that a society would think it’s en vogue to commit rape, but is that possible here? I realize it’s anonymous, but if you ask a bunch of guys how big their penis is it’s typically 20% larger than scientific studies because to many people larger penis size is desirable. People lie on “anonymous” surveys all the time.
I don’t know that this is the case here, but I certainly hope so as numbers are truly sickening. The men on men rape was most surprising to me. Unless there was a large amount of gay men, it seemed to go beyond solely a sexual gratification and into a battle for dominance and power. Really sickening.
What’s the possibility these people were falsely boasting? And lying about their education, and earnings too?
But still, probably won’t change the numbers too much.
What’s funny is that for most men it was once, during youth, a long time ago. Like some youthful indiscretion a western man might carry out.
But ANYWAY, anyway, we don’t really know what was asked. I really doubt the men were asked “did you violently beat a woman and vigorously insert yourself as she wept.” They were probably asked something different, and probably admitted to something different. And I know many of you want to claim that there’s only one kind of rape, the horrible kind, but that’s not true. There’s violent rape, date rape, even consensual statutory “rape.” So I’d like to get the definitions straight.
Yes, not all rape is violent sociopathic “stranger in a dark alley rape”
Still date/aquatiance rape can be violent too. Not all date rape is about “misunderstanding”
I do have to say that I think rapists are the most fucked up self centered people EVER.
Firstly the study was done in only KwaZulu-Natal and the Eastern Cape 2 out of 9 provinces and both provinces have large numbers of poor living in awful conditions. So extending the findings to the rest of the country with different cultures, languages and wealth is problematic.
Also on the point about education having finished high school does not mean you are actually educated, the pass marks for Grade 12 (called Matric) are 40% for Maths and First Language and 33% for four other subjects and the pass rate for the final exams in those provinces is about 65%. So even if many of those who admit rape are better educated, in relation to their peers, it does not mean they are well educated.
The income numbers are also low, R500 a month is about $60 and someone earning R10 000 a month is Upper Class in South Africa but approx lower middle class in the US or UK. I earn R10 000 and cannot come close to affording even a small house (1 Million Rand in Cape Town) or a new car (R150 000) plus insurance and living expenses on just my salary.
So the study tells us the 1 in 4 men in specific areas and income groups are rapists but this cannot be extended to the entire country with such a limited (geographically) sample population.
You may joke, but in some communities, that’s exactly what it is. It wouldn’t surprise me if the numbers were even higher in my home province, the Western Cape, than in the two provinces surveyed. I’ve heard of studies showing one in three women in my city have been raped at least once. And of those, unlike say the US where I think you’ll find date rape is more the dominant mode, here it really is the gang rapes that are accounting for the high numbers.
One in fucking three, man. Nothing excuses that. Even to look at the roots in historic trauma, while understandable from a “why the fuck do they do it?” viewpoint, still seems to diminish the wrongness somehow, and I don’t like that.
And I say this as one of those one-in-ten men who has been raped. Twice.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Give a 13 year old boy in the UK anonymity and ask him if he ever smokes pot, and 99 times out of 100 he’ll tell you he smokes sack loads of it. It’s sad and disturbing that SA males feel the need to adopt to that “coolness” factor, but it doesn’t make them any less likely to be liars.
Here is an interesting article by Marcus Howe, a noted UK black academic and activist, on the white anti-rascist response to the doc and him saying ‘yep, it’s true’.
Actually, roaming gangs raping is also an european historical thing as well … if you read Barbara Tuchmans Through a distant Mirror, she works with judicial records of 14th century france and germany and despite the required marking of prostitutes by clothing and decorations gangs would actually break into homes and rape women and girls, and if they were on the streets after dark, even legitimatly [such as a midwife going to/reom a confinement] they stood the chance of being raped unless accompanied by a linkman and a bodyguard/male escort.
It’s commonly reported that one in four or one in five American women have been the victim of a completed or attempted rape. Someone’s doing all that raping. Even if we assume that some men are responsible for multiple acts of sexual violence, can the number of victims really get that high without a correspondingly gigantic number of attackers?
Maybe this is a dumb question but, then again, this seems so incredible to me…
I wonder if the term “rape” was even used. I wonder if there was a phrase like, “Used force to have sex with a woman”. I mean, would that many men answer yes to the question, “Are you a rapist”? But maybe more would find it acceptable to sany, “Yes, I’ve forced a woman to have sex”.
Then again, it probably doesn’t matter anyway. Depressing…
I am joking, but not entirely. The point is that there needs ot be a major upheaval in the power balance. Major to the point of seriously shocking the populace. Best way I know how to do it is to arm the women.
Although, if it’s mainly gang rapes, they’ll need automatics. . . and some sort of harness so it can’t be taken away from them easily. . .
I’m somewhat curious at the surprise being expressed here (though obviously this is horrifying to contemplate).
1 in 6 American women over the age of 12 report having been the victim of a rape or attempted rape. The figure is something like 1 in 4 for women between 18 and 24.
On preview, I see that Tom Tildrum has already addressed this.
That’s a reasonable point, and why a lot of those surveys about how 24% of all college women have been raped because they include “having sex when you are drunk” as “rape”.
I did a bit more research, but I can’t find anywhere where they gave the definition of rape as used in the study.
It’s worth noting that in Florida, if two people have sex and both are under the influence, either party can report the encounter and the other party is essentially automatically guilty.
You should always consider that point in discussions of sex crimes. Such laws/views are messed up, and the reason I would give a big :dubious: to any such numbers coming out of America. But Mr. Dribble’s account seems to paint the picture rather differently in Africa.
I call bullshit, or in local parlance, cite? There is so much turd in this, where to begin? First, the use of the word “report.” I can report you to the Miami po-pos for eating a Snicker bar, but they aren’t going to do shit about it. Second, assuming you mean the cops will actual initiate a criminal investigation based on someone simply saying “I got drunk and got laid. I am now upset” you’re wrong, as you’ve missed an element of the crime of rape - absence of consent (just being “drunk” doesn’t deprive someone of the ability to consent; there are plenty of threads on this, if you want to learn something). At the very least there has to be some allegation that the sex was non-consensual (and it can’t be an “I wanna do-over” scenario). Even then, this business about “essentially automatically guilty” displays such a sweeping ignorance of the criminal justice system (even in wacky FLA) that it should be grounds for revoking your posting privileges on a board dedicated to fighting ignorance. You might as well start a thread about Pepsi pulling God out of the pledge, a missing little kid needing a kidney, or a real life brush with angels.