I have read of cases of different mediums not in the same area have coming up with messages from the same departed spirit (eg., FWH Myers) that go together unmistakably, completing, complementing, and repeating each other. So this raises two questions: 1) Is there a source for more of these somewhere? 2) Are there any cases of different people who claim to have been abducted or contacted by space aliens telling the same story about these “higher beings”? The cases I’ve read are all different. One person was contacted by “The Nine,” Anton Wilson has a different story, and so on. These stories are alike in that the higher space aliens have told them they want to help man to evolve into other dimensions, but the details are very different. If there was a group of advanced spacemen, why don’t they communicate the same thing to different recipients? (I know that mediums have also come up with vastly different accounts of the next world, but that would be due to the fact that a person can only perceive and conceive in his or her own terms. The reason that in both the space alien area and the spirit world area there is all this talk about higher beings is just that we are predisposed to hierarchy because of our monkey and reptile ancestry or whatever. But as I said, there are cases in spiritualism of different mediums coming up with things from a given spirit that are consistent with each other and not completely different, but I don’t know of space alien contacters who share the same story except for like Betty and Barney Hill or others who have been kidnapped together).
Have you got details of these cases?
Are you saying the spirit world is inhabited by space aliens? If not, what is the connection?
If anyone passes themselves off to me as a “medium”, I automatically wouldn’t trust them if they say they don’t “know each other”.
I’m skeptical. And you should be too when someone makes claims about the supernatural. Such claims are so extraordinary, that they require extraordinary proof before they should be accepted. Did you actually review the messages yourself and see that they were “completing, etc.”? Are you sure the two mediums are not pulling a hoax? Are you sure it’s not a coincidence - - kind of a shared vision of the supernatural resulting from common exposure to mass media & entertainment? Were the two messages independently evaluated and then compared or did they talk about it first and then announce the (modified) messages to the world and pointed out how similar they were?
There seem to be a lot of similarities in such stories. For examples, the aliens usually look the same…skinny, gray, big-eyed, big-brained, etc. Perhaps this is a result of common mass media or some kind of insight into human psychology.
Just a nitpicky note that current understanding of evolution is that it is not heirarchal (one species is not “more evolved” than another).
Also, what “other dimensions” are there? None are currently known other than our good ole Spacetime.
Or why not the whole world at once if they truly intend to help all of humanity?
Anyway, my point is that the evidence for spiritual/alien contact is weak and such claims need scrutiny.
Read books by Jacques Vallee and Aime Michel, and see them on the web, especially the latter. Valee has a slant line pointing northeast over one of the e’s and Aime has the same line over the e. They have never been abducted nor claim to have been and they say they don’t really know what the flying saucers are but they present theories and also many cases where hundreds of people have seen these flying saucers. As for spiritualism, the debunkers always use as examles mediums who were debunked in their own times, even, as examples of the whole group, or they cite ones that claim to have seen the details of the spirit world, which always vary from medium to medium. But see Mrs. Piper, Leonora Piper, who has never been disproven, and others associated with her, and Mrs. Osborne Leonard. These are your two most validated mediums. Mrs. Piper was taken at the expense of the respected American Psychical Research Society or some name like that to England and she came up with the same amazing knowledge of people’s relatives from the beyond.
My favorite scientific inquiring date collecting person in this are was one of the several named Price, who said from his researches with mediums it appears that after death, people go where they want to go (not what they deserve, think they deserve, etc. but where they WANT to go). I don’t know of any of the soi disant spirits who claim they went to anything like any of the heavens described by any of the religions. It is always a beautiful garden, they meet their dead relatives, not the ones that are still alive, notice, and they feel the love and are happy. Bishop Pike’s son, or the soi disant son of Bishop Pike anyway, who had committed suicide, said he would just as soon he hadn’t killed himself because he still had the same problems, but the other side was helping him and he was learning. He was asked (through British medium Ena Twigg) about Jesus and he says it’s not like that, it’s a Light. Anyway, possible openminded people go to a more open place, religious fanatics probably go to their idea of heaven, and so on and these places are all walled off from each other. Catholic Heaven, Orthodox Heaven, Orthdox Jew Pharisee Heaven, what they do with the Jews who don’t believe in an afterlife and the atheists is they still go to heaven anyway even if theydidn’t believe in it, and then there is Southern Baptist heaven and Missouri Synod Lutheran Heaven and Other Lutheran Heaven. And those of other religions. There is the story of the man who dies and St. Peter is showing him around heaven and the man says what’s behind that wall, and St. Peter says, “Shhhh, that’s the Catholics, they think they’re the only ones up here.” Substitute any religion for Catholics and it’s the same story. Price says although everybody goes to their own heaven, there is some communication with others through telepathy. And of course I assume that in one’s heaven there are all one’s relatives in a very convincing manner, and friends, all as an effortless projection one makes, or at least partly so.
But most people think it’s reality. This differs in no particular way from what life is like on earth except there is no pain or suffering, and lots of happiness. But I mean it doesn’t differ from being alive in that when one is alive one has only one’s own opinions of other people anyway. We never deal with actual people, only with our versions of them, and we pin on them our image of them anyway. As below, so above, as Hermes Trismegistus once said. Whoops this should all be on a great debates line. But I dont’
want to debate it my mind is made up, we all go to heaven and are happy. It’s no stupider than any other idea or than anything else in life. There is no reason we are here, there is no reason we go there, nobody created it all, nobody has to live up to anything, there is no divine plan.
Unfortunately, there is the horrible theory of reincarnation and the equally horrible theory of a divine plan, which people seem to prefer for some reason. Cancer and other crazy things that happen to people and millions of children starving and the Inquisition and Hitler can’t be part of a divine or any other kind of plan, nor can the complicated organs and cells we have. If there had been a plan, for instance, we would have been stuffed with uncomplicated fluff for instance instead of liver full of lesions and pancreases that don’t make the right amount of insulin. What could be more insane than organs and bodies? It all had to happen by what people call chance. A slight flux of something at the beginning and shazaam, the universe. Then we die and go to heaven, end of story and are happy and never do know the divine plan because there never was one.
No, they don’t.