Speak of the Devil - Satanic Rock Bands

Again, I felt this the best place for this story. Would love to see feedback on this and see what develops…

The Devil always had the best tunes.

Or at least the illusion of the guy did. The Rolling Stones showed him sympathy. Led Zep, Blue Öyster Cult, Kiss and Black Sabbath all delved into the occult, witchcraft and other things not conducive to Judeo-Christian beliefs, even if their interests in said sundries could be chalked up to media hype, naiveté, or a simple interest in the dark side.

This was only the beginning. The time-line stretches to the likes of Mercyful Fate, Venom and Bathory, early '80s bands that reveled in all things dark; to Slayer, whose early work was influenced by horror movies more than true evil; and eventually the rising Death Metal scene in Florida featuring groups like Morbid Angel and Deicide (literally, “The death of God”), that practiced self-mutilation and alluded to animal sacrifice in interviews.

While these bands took the thrashy sounds of it’s predecessors and made it more guttural with increasingly blasphemous subject matter, nothing, not even Deicide leader Glenn Benton’s ritualized burning of an upside-down crucifix into his forehead, prepares us for the Scandinavian Black Metal scene that erupted from Norway in the early '90s. This scene, very well documented in last year’s Lords of Chaos (Feral House Books, by Michael Moynihan and Didrik Søderlind), is rife with stories of church burnings and ritualized murders of foes and friends alike. These acts were played out to a soundtrack of brutal, simplistic walls of guitar haze, blasted percussion and undecipherable screaming as vocals.

The Triangle and surrounding area boast a surprisingly potent Black and Death Metal scene. It’s epicenter, The Caboose in Garner.

Raleigh band Sorrow Bequest held court one night. The five-piece goes over the top with its instrumentation alone, employing three guitars and two vocalists. Any fan of extreme music would find Sorrow Bequest intriguing with its complex songwriting owing to Iron Maiden’s technical ecstasy, only with a much more sinister vibe.

After the show, an impromptu party gathers. Guthrie Iddings, formerly “The Death Dealer” on WKNC’s Friday institution “Chainsaw Rock,” is the host in a shell of a house owned by his parents. Inside are nothing but four walls, a stone chimney, and the roof. Lit candles, empty beer bottles and countless cigarette butts are strewn around. Sitting around a battery operated CD player cranking out an inhuman roar of some band from Germany are a slew of the Raleigh underground metal community.

While the setting is unusual - almost spiritual - the attendees look and act no different than any longhaired rock fans do after a concert: Everyone is drinking and/or smoking pot. While most of the folks have CDs made by arsonists and murderers on their own collections by bands such as Dark Throne, Burzum, Mayhem and Emperor, you don’t sense that this group is going to burn anything unless someone gets careless with a Marlboro.

“Black Metal is just one of the many genres of metal that I listen to,” explains Iddings between tokes on a joint. “It appeals to me on more of a musical level than a satanic level. The bands that are good really create an amazing atmosphere that can’t be found anyplace else.”

Joshua Pantke, bassist for Sorrow Bequest, nods in approval. “Our spirituality is completely the antithesis of spirituality. It’s looking at things with logic, thinking them through, and if you can’t find the answers yourself, unprovable ancient texts are not going to know any better.”

As far as North Carolina Black Metal bands and fans go, atmosphere is the buzzword, not spirituality. Lucritia, the current host of “Chainsaw Rock”, nicely sums up most of the local attitudes by offering that “You can support the art without supporting the artist. I don’t support burning any sort of building, be it a church or be it an outhouse! Just because Dead from Mayhem shot himself in the head and the guys (in the band) made necklaces from his skull fragments doesn’t mean I advocate suicide or… necklace wearing!”

When Gutherie states that, “Satanism in its pure cultic form disgusts me as much as Christianity,” you believe him. “I avoid the worshipping of otherworldly fictional beings,” he continues, “but I support a person trying to find something that’s not really out there, and I think Black Metal really asks that question.”

This may be the prevailing ideology for most, but there are twists. Some devotees of Anton LaVey’s Satanic Bible claim that it is about self-empowerment and improvement without the worship of any deities. Bill Wenz, vocalist of Wilson’s Goddammed, fits into this category.

“I myself have been into Satanism for almost ten years,” he proudly states. “I look at is as Naturalism, basically going by one’s own feelings on how to live life and the choices that you make. Christ puts so many restrictions on what you can do, and there’s no need for that. Go by how you feel, let nature take its path. Satanism for me is not a being, but nature itself.”

As you go farther West, however, the spiritual landscape changes. Right outside of Gastonia, NC is headquarters for khaosad.com , a radio show which in the two years since coming on air has morphed from a low-power FM signal to short-wave to it’s current internet broadcasting.

Everything seems normal enough. The couple has several children running around, one of them giving periodical updates on the amount of kittens their cat was in the process of delivering. They prefer to only be known as Voice of Doom and Kasandra, as Gastonia is not the most open-minded habitat.

Especially since aside from playing Death and Black Metal from their basement five days a week, Kasandra is a witch.

“I practice witchcraft,” she says matter-of-factly, "but I’m not a Satanist… Not exactly. I believe some of it, like LeVay’s attitude about believing in yourself and making yourself the God. But that’s really different than what a lot of the Black metal bands believe in. They believe in Satan, the real Satan. I don’t sit there with my black candles worshiping the devil, but I do magic, so I can see where they’re coming from.

“Each person does what he or she feels they have to do,” she continues. “I talk to a lot of guys in Norway, and they go into the burned-out churches and have ceremonies with big torches at night and they do their music. And I think it’s really great because it gives them the spirit into their music.”

Though her husband is not into any spiritual beliefs, both feel (and possibly fear) the Christians who make up what he calls their “Buckle of the Bible belt town.”

“I don’t find Christians to be very tolerant,” he says. “It’s either their way or no way. They’d probably take people like you and me out and hang us if they thought they could get away with it.”

Kasandra recalls a trip to "the post office (while) wearing a Marilyn Manson tee shirt. This woman comes up to me and she’s like, ‘You do know that Jesus Christ loves you, and he’s coming back for you,’ all in my face. I started to walk away, and she grabbed my arm! I said, ‘If you don’t get your hands off me, I will pluck out your eyeballs and eat them right here!’

“So she started backing up really quickly,” she laughs.

Even taking witchery into consideration, the couple still comes off as normal. He stopped doing the shows on weekends because he liked to go camping. She will occasionally host the show because he has to take the kids to a Cub Scout or attend a PTA meeting. It’s a lot closer to Ozzie and Harriet than Ozzy Osbourne.

Right down the road, however, is the Charlotte home of Darkmoon. One of the few American Black Metal bands to sign to the powerful Music for Nations label (the band’s debut is released May 8), Darkmoon is chaotic, maniacal, furious music which starts as a gale force and never lets up. If Black Metal conjures up cold emotions, Darkmoon is a blinding

Wow, so much here. Thanks, Satan, I figured this would be a campy post about music and ended up sitting here reading and pondering for a while- Now I’m late for work! I’ll have to tell them it was because of Satan. Think that would go over well?

I think I’ll comment on two issues for now.

#1: The music- I’ve heard a lot of black metal. My husband listens to very hard heavy metal. He grew up with a musical background and likes the musical aspect of it. At first it all sounded like chaotic noise to me, but it is actually pretty technically complicated. I’ve debated the lyrics issue with him a number of times. Often the lyrics are hateful (towards everyone) and don’t parallel our Christian beliefs. Hubby insists that the lyrics aren’t important and don’t affect him. I don’t like them because of the angry, violent message- christianity aside. We have violence in our schools that is mind baffling. Some would argue that the music has always been around and the violence is relatively new- indicating that there are many other factors contributing to such violence. When I get a chance I’ll post some lyrics.

#2: Just a comment on intolerance. A belief isn’t a belief if you acknowledge that there are other possibilities. I am a Christian and my entire belief system surrounds Christian doctrine. If I acknowledge that there may be other possibilities that exist regarding God and salvation, then my entire foundation is destroyed. It becomes speculation and theory. Let me try and give you a quick example (and I’ll jump away from Christianity for a moment). Let’s look at the occult/witchcraft. I personally am very skeptical and don’t believe that humans can carry supernatural powers (and if there are any witches reading this, please do not take this opportunity to prove me wrong- I have enough stress right now, don’t need some bizarre hex to add to my list). If a witch admits that their powers may not exist, their entire belief system and credibility is destroyed.

O’k. Now I’m really late.


Jeremiah 29:11

See, Brian? Told you you belong here! Where else, off this board, would you be so idolized!! :smiley:

How much of that music is produced by an actual belief system and how much is showbiz?

Doug, the first one or two were probably genuine, but they, if they followed through on their beliefs, probably ended up dead or in prison. Those that follow probably think they really believe it, but their continued free life gives the lie.


I sold my soul to Satan for a dollar. I got it in the mail.

Just like to add something. When I was a satanist, I hated all the music that was supposedly satanist. We preferred Paganini, Wagner and Bach’s harpsichord concertos for our masses.


“I’d think God would want to LIMIT my powers.”

Just a few random thoughts.

  1. Jon Vesano said:

Well Jon, I feel a lot better about you now. I guess we’ll invite you to that dinner party after all. Mental note: DON’T piss this guy off.

  1. Coming soon to a courthouse near you…
    Sometime soon, a kid who is a devotee of one of these bands will do something stupid, like kill himself, or God forbid, someone else. The parents will file a lawsuit against the band. “Johnny was such an angel until he was influenced and led by these horrible people!” Expect widespread media coverage, and several blithering indignant statements from Tipper Gore. Ask Ozzie and Rob Halford (Judas Priest) how much fun these lawsuits are.

  2. It seems to me some of these people are what could only be described as disturbed. They do everything but come out and advocate violence, but don’t actually say it.

  3. As Satan points out, some of the pioneers of metal tinkered with the occult. Led Zeppelin is pretty well documented, as was Sabbath. But, neither out and out advocated violence. Sabbath was all pretty much hype. But their lyrics were never that extreme, and some arguably contained a positive message. But these people Satan refers to, well, they belong to Satan.

  4. I just can’t understand the attitude of hatred and destruction. To me, thes guys are half a step above pro-Nazi skinheads.


Still trying to think of something witty to say here

(ahem)

(making devil sign with fingers)
DEICIDE KICKS ASS! Aaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!

Thank you.

Okay, I used to be a major Led Zeppelin fan, and I’ve heard all of their albums a dozen times at least except the one that has “Travellin’ Riverside Blues” on it. Anyway, the point is, I never understood anything occult about them. Some folks say you can see the head of demon if you do something to the Led Zeppelin IV / Zoso album, but other than that, I can’t see any satanic stuff. Of course, I know them as a listener, not a reader.
Can somebody fill me in, just for the sake of trivia, on what the original dirigibles of heavy metal were into?


Any similarity in the above text to an English word or phrase is purely coincidental.

Okay, that sounds pretty weak. I want you real Led Zeppelin fans to know that I listened to most of their albums vastly more than 12 times. Only Coda and The Song Remains the Same did I listen to so infrequently. Led Zeppelin I, a hundred times.

I never listened to much black metal when I was young and irresponsible. Black Sabbath, Dio and Metallica were about as close as I got.

I believe that the kind of music a person is drawn to reflects their inner mental/emotional/spiritual state. Happy people tend to listen to happy music. Angry or depressed people tend to listen to angry, depressive music.

While I would never suggest that listening to Black/Death metal would cause a young person to commit murder or suicide, I would be concerned that someone who was drawn to that kind of music would possibly be in such a mental state that they might do so.

I think the popularity of this type of music is a disturbing sign that many of our youth have given up hope…


The trouble with Sir Launcelot is by the time he comes riding up, you’ve already married King Arthur.

I enjoyed the read, Satan, especially the “portraits” of the Black Metal fans. Would like to know more about that. And I’d read it again, independently speaking. Hee-hee. :wink:

Boris B-
Zep is legendary for their involvement in the occult. It didn’t show through in their music, but their involvement is well documented.

The mystique built over the years, and the legend grew stronger with each tragedy to members of the band, peaking with the death of John Bonham. It is sort of eerie, there has been a lot of personal misfortune in the lives of the members.

What I vaguely remember: Plant, in particular, was heavily involved in the work of A. Crowley. I’ll look for a link, and post it when I do.

Regardless, some of the best metal ever made.


Still trying to think of something witty to say here

Thanks, Zeb.

By the way, Satan, I think “killing God” would be a more accurate definition of deicide than “death of God”. Could be wrong though.


Any similarity in the above text to an English word or phrase is purely coincidental.

Interesting stuff. I didn’t even know Black Metal existed. Since becoming old and decrepit, I’ve sort of lost touch with that kind of thing.

I’m not real clear on what we’re supposed to be debating here. Is this a question of whether loud devil music causes people to do bad things? I’ve noticed a correlation, but not necessarily causation. I have the feeling it’s a chicken and egg type question.

I was a big fan of the Blue Oyster Cult when I was younger. What I especially liked about them was their light, humorous approach to death, evil and destruction. They had a Mephistophelean quality very unlike the earnestness of groups like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. It seemed to throw the darkness and rage into sharper relief while making it somehow more palatable. But the rage was definitely the important thing for me at the time. Oddly enough, while such music perfectly complemented my desires to chain-smoke Marlboros and drink Bud by the case, it never once gave me the urge to go out and commit mayhem. After all, I was pissed off in the first place by the fact that the world sucked; why would I want to make it worse? As for worshipping Satan – f*** Satan. (The “real” one, not the alpha male of the SDMB.) For me, heavy metal was just an outlet. Possibly even a good outlet.

One thing I know about negative emotions is that they can enhance creativity. When I was an angry young man I wrote music, but I don’t anymore. I just don’t have the same inner fury spurring me on. I’m better for not having it, but there’s some music missing from the world that would be there if I wasn’t so relatively tranquil. (Not that the world would give a shit. I don’t claim the stuff was necessarily good.)

Well, this is a sufficiently long and rambling statement in which I seem not to have made any points very strongly. But Satan, since I was a little puzzled by the purpose of your post, it’s only fair if you’re slack-jawed at mine.

I should note, although I haven’t found a link worth listing, I have picked up the following: It was Page, not Plant, who was the most interested in the occult and Crowley. He went so far as to purchase Crowley’s residence.

If recollection serves, it was here that Bonham died.

DWD- I still think “Veteran of the psychic Wars” is one of the coolest songs ever made.


Still trying to think of something witty to say here

Disclosure:

  1. I come from the Raleigh area.
  2. I am in a “heavy” band.
    (CD comes out in April – Woo-hah! – indie, thank you - integrity still intact!)

Musically, Black/Death metal can be quite good, and is often innovative, technically challenging, and harmonically interesting. Most musicians will agree to this - and if you’re not a musician your opinion on music doesn’t mean jack fucking shit anyway.

Lyrically and vocally, 99% of it is shit. This is personal opinion, I don’t like cookie monster vocals all the time - occasionally is OK.
(Ex: Fear Factory, Slipknot, Spineshank, Soulfly, Sepultura - note the lack of “true” black/death metal bands in that list).

My favorite is “Insect” by some random death metal band, the lyrics are:
“Insect. Crush. Then Eat.” Deep, eh?
(Ex: Metal Blade Records)

The other end of the spectrum is the “I’m so much heavier and evil than you are, and here’s our pretentious song titles/band name to prove it.”
(Ex: Relapse Records)
Band name: Brutal Anal Rapists of The Bastard Son of God, Jesus Christ
Track 1: Rupturing anal hemorrhoids
Track 2: Ode to NalA-gor III, overgod of the lost myths of Cantorian Egypt
Track 3: (22 minutes) Decaying flesh of dismembered apostate priests who have overthrown Christ and dance on his defiled body in the seventh circle of HELL!
etc, etc etc.

You will rarely lose money betting that a band’s philosophy/image/beliefs are:

  1. a crock of shit.
  2. rehashed LeVay/Crowley/Wiccan bullshit (that they ripped off from Emperor, who ripped it off from Venom/Slayer, who ripped it off from Sabbath/Priest, etc. etc.)
  3. halfassed adolescent rebellion from Trevor, Biff and Thaddeus while Daddy’s away from the suburbs on a business trip (I’m from NC, there just ain’t no evil shit there, except maybe Jesse Helms)

People that follow “All Blacks” are just as much sheep as the christians they despise.

That all said, of course the Devil has the good bands. Look at the lame ass shit Stryper, Petra, etc. put out. Oh, Creed sucks ass too, christian or not.

God don’t rock.

BTW: Few “Black Metallers” (love that label) would be caught dead within a five mile radius of a Marilyn Manson product. Extremely high probability guess: Kasandra is a poseur, and gets off on the attention she denies wanting, as are 99% of “goths”, “satanists”, “BMers”, etc.

This has nothing to do with much, but how do apostate priests dance on Christ’s body when they are dismembered? I guess they just squirm.

Oh, and I agree. Creed sucks.


“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.”
-H.P. Lovecraft, “The Call of Cthulhu”

For some kickin’ Black Metal, catch a listen to Opeth; changing time sigs, clean and growled vox, heavy, heavy guitars followed by acoustic parts. Opeth take you on a roller coaster ride that is a total aural workout.

Wow, a thread devoted to the type of music I listened to before I turned 17. At the time I actually liked Blood and their song “Jesus Never Lived”. My friends and I at the time thought it sounded closer to Jesus had long hair, but our thoughts on this were wrong. We also listened to such lyrical lovelies as Carcass and their song “Psychopathologist” because “It’s fun being a pathologist, slicing up corpses, especially when they’ve just been exhumed. I get high sniffing all their fumes.” LOL! They were too funny. Cannibal Corpse and Morbid Angel were pretty funny too. Cannibal Corpse had the best shirts though. My favorite was the one that had the zombies eviscerating babies from pregnant women and hanging them up on meathooks. I wore that one everywhere. It was never brought up as an issue because they were not as mainstream as Marilyn Manson who is an all showbiz act.

I actually saw Deicide in concert in '92 or '93 shortly after their first album signed to a record label (was it Metalblade, too?) came out. They were really pretty big poseurs for the genre. They all came in dressed up similarly to Gwar (incidently, I saw them later the same year at a very small concert venue) but without the theatrics. We (teenage friends) liked the music overall but thought their proposed ideology of Satanism were funny especially with Glenn’s proposal that all of the members of the band were going to commit suicide at age 33 to spite Jesus. I am sure he is 33 by now and we are still waiting.

I even played in a few Death Metal/Grindcore bands. I played bass in a band called Afterbirth and we wrote political songs about little girls and such. You guys probably don’t know who Heidi Seaman is but she was a little girl who was kidnapped, sexually abused, killed, and then discarded in a dump. Anyway, we wrote a song about her from the murderers point of view. Basically, in that band, we catered to all of our negative feelings and displayed them in a nonthreatening type of environment. We had a decent sized following at the time too, but the members broke up after just a couple of shows. Later I was in a band called Diabolus. We took or name from a fetal type monster in a roleplaying game called Talislanta but the hispanics confused it with Diabolos. We had a following their with the skater-punks. But still, this band broke up after a short period of time. (My later bands and music took some influence from these … i.e. technical and emotional aspects, but changed the focus to sorrow rather than anger and then cleaned up the technique to make it sound more like rennaisance music. It is more palatable and universally appealing that way.)

Anyway, these bands exist because their is a market for disenfranchised youths. Typically the older you get the less you fit in with the Death Metal/Grindcore crowd. There are many bands more inline with their “Satanic” beliefs than the ones listed above but they are by far in the minority. Practically all the ones that you will ever see are the “mainstream” ones that are following a “showbiz” line.

HUGS!
Sqrl


Gasoline: As an accompaniement to cereal it made a refreshing change. Glen Baxter