Spectre of Pithecanthropus' mod note in Pyongyang Metro thread [Edited Title]

In the “Pyongyang Metro” thread, in MPSIMS, SoP posted the following in his official capacity as a moderator of the SDMB:

While I fully concur with the sentiment, I question your authority to make such a statement on the behalf of the SDMB. Inappropriate according to what, exactly? The only marginally applicable MPSIMS rule I can find follows:

Note that this rule pretty much directly contradicts your directive.

In other words, kindly 1) keep your nose out of the issue unless it contravenes the rules, 2) make the statement as a personal opinion, and not as a policy of the SDMB, or 3) change the rules so we all know what the fuck policies you’re actually interested in enforcing.

From the Registration Agreement:

In the strictest sense (if you want to ignore the fact that he was being facetious), he was discussing war.

In the non-strict sense, he might have been sticking up for the termites.

Bad call by SoP. Retraction is needed. There is no justification for that ruling, even under the rule Dex cited.

It’s cool, no warning was issued so it’s all cool.

Think it’s pretty clear what I was talking about anyway – the regime itself has got to go, someday, some way. Not my problem ATM, though.

In the strictest sense, and taken at face value, he was advocating genocide, not war.

Also from the Registration Agreement:

IMO, advocating the extermination of the entire population of a country “like termites” is not appropriate even in jest. Spectre, like any mod, has full authority to make such a call. I would have issued a mod note on that too.

Aw, jeez. :rolleyes:

(Guess I’m not allowed in any India vs. Pakistan threads from now on…)

If pedantry is your game, we wouldn’t be nuking them without provocation, so yes, Virginia, whatever circumstances in which the North Koreans found themselves radioactive would most likely be a retaliation to a heinous act of war perpetrated by them, calling for an overwhelming application of high-yield nuclear explosives. Genocide and war are not mutually exclusive.

Ah yes, the catch-all excuse for whatever action a mod wants to take. “Oh, well, he was being a jerk. And you know, we don’t like jerks. It’s right there in the rules!”

:rolleyes:

It seems to me to be fairly clearly hate speech.

A few active posters actually live in Korea, albeit South Korea. A nuclear attack on North Korea certainly would have some kind of affect on those of us over here.

For what it’s worth, this rule has been around forever. It’s not like Spectre made it up on the spot. It’s been enforced…since…oh geez…I’d guess 2001, 2002.

IIRC, December or Wildest Bill talked about nuking “Arabs” (or Afghanistan or something…I really don’t remember the details)–it was pretty soon after 9/11. About 2004, a Zionist type (Paul something Fitzpatrick? Fitzroy?) advocated bombing Saudi Arabia and Iraq (Iran?) and was banned. About the same time a Jew hater called for Tel Aviv to be nuked.

The minimum punishment seems to be a serious smackdown and and a formal warning. By that standard, Spectre was being downright mild. This has never been a topic the mods gave much leniency to.

The prevailing winds would likely blow fallout over the Sea of Japan, putting Vladivostok & Northern Japan at greater risk. Additionally, according to this [warning: PDF], even a conventional strike against DPRK’s nuclear facilities could release enough dangerous radiation to become problematic.

Do you have a link for any of those? I don’t remember warnings being handed out for suggestions of Iraq getting wiped out. Wasn’t that a sticking point in the Aldebaran banning - that calling for the death of insurgents wasn’t treated similarly to the calling of death on US Forces.

So that’s what you were talking about? Only nuking the upper-most folks in government? Seems like a nuclear strike is a rather imprecise way to handle regime change, but I’ll take your word for it. Oh wait, no, we don’t have to… let’s go to the videotape one more time:

Riiight. You just meant the regime. Look, if you’re gonna be an Internet Tough Guy/Gal and advocate genocide, at least have the courage of your (icky) convictions.

And no, Ogre, fuzzypickles wasn’t discussing war – s/he dropped that charming idea of ‘testing’ nuclear weaponry as a way to wipe out the entire location into a discussion about Desert Nomad touring the DPRK, talking about regular people and places s/he’d seen. Where was the war talk, excactly? Sure, later on fuzzypickles backed down and said the remark was “somewhat facetious” and said okay, but if North Korea initiated a strike, then we could get all Rid-Ex on their termitey asses and no one would blame us (repeating that twice in orgasmic delight).

Spectre absolutely made the right call, not that s/he needs my approbation. As Fenris points out, such talk of genocide, whether or not it’s “provoked” has pretty much always brought down the mod hammer, and justly so. It’s repulsive.

I vaguely remember what you’re saying about Aldebaran, but I don’t recall how it was dealt with.

The easiest one I can find is …check out the “Final Straw” link.

I’ll look for the “We should nuke Israel (or Tel Aviv)!” one.

I doubt I can find the December (or Wildest Bill?) one-it was close enough after 9/11 that it’s probably buried.

fuzzypickles is just a give-no-quarter kind of guy.

Japan would be none too happy about it, either.

As a last-resort measure, it will accomplish the job that needs to be done. Sometimes, you’ve got to break a few eggs.

If you agree with me, why are you still arguing? Please don’t blame me for hurting your sensitive feelings, that’s not my problem.

Oh SPARE ME already…that horse has already been beaten to death! :rolleyes:

To pursue this a little further, I certainly can’t recall anyone being banned for defending the use of nuclear weapons against the civilian populace of Japan in WWII, nor should I expect it. Are the mods saying that a ban might be in order were a poster to support a similar strategy in the event of a war with North Korea or China?