I’ll start off with a fairly easy, not obscure, non-debatable one:
NBA Coaches Mount Rushmore:
I’ve always thought Jackson was a little overrated – his in-game strategies and rotations were always suspect IMHO (and I’ve watched him more than any coach besides Pat Riley) and Doc Rivers mopped the floor with him in the 2008 NBA Finals – but he got his stars to drink his Kool Aid and has the most championships. I’ve always thought Riley was underrated: he did more than just roll the balls out for the Showtime Lakers and he led average Knick teams a lot farther than most expected. But besides John Kundla (Minneapolis Lakers, i.e., ancient), no other NBA coaches have won more than two titles other than these listed.
I am hoping others will go a little farther out on the proverbial limb for their Mount Rushmores.
What part of “Sports” did you not comprehend? :smack:
I think it’s impossible to pick just four quarterbacks from the NFL. Clearly Montana. Probably Tom Brady (though his resumé isn’t complete, yet). But Dan Marino, for all his passing production, didn’t lead his team to a championship. In that regard, John Elway was better. And there were quarterbacks before the 60s, at least one of whom should probably make the list, so that the faces cover all the time the NFL has been a passing league.
As for Unitas, I always preferred Starr. Who, I will point out, has many more championships.
Juan Manuel Fangio - Should need no explanation, but his comeback drive on the Nurburgring in '57 would put him on here by itself. That he held 5 championships in the most deadly era of the sport clinches it.
Jim Clark - He won 1/3 of the F1 races he entered, and had the ability to win with an inferior machine. If he had not died in an F2 race, he would have almost certainly won more.
Jackie Stewart - He was not only fast, but smart and safe. He used his ample prestige to make racing far more safe than it ever had been.
Niki Lauda - So incredibly fast, and came back from one of the more horrific F1 crashes to race again, and win another championship.
Considered, but rejected because they appeared to put winning above the safety of others: Michael Schumacher, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost.
And yours is hard to argue, too. I love Hasek, and I’d argue that he made a team more competitive than they otherwise would be, even more than Roy. However, luck figures into it.* I’d also argue for Bernie Parent, but It’d be a hard decision to figure out who to replace.
*I’d argue hard for Jackie Ickx to be included on the F1 Rushmore. He’s possibly the best driver to ever sit in an open-wheeled car. But he did not have great luck in that league, and excelled in sports car racing instead.
This is actually not an easy one; Jacques Plante is as deserving of being here as Dryden or Sawchuk. Plante gets points for innovation a la Patrick Roy that Sawchuk doesn’t get. Dominik Hasek might have been the best I ever saw at the height of his powers, but if you put him on the list you have three goalies from the same time, which seems weird.
I don’t have a dog in the fight over those specific players, but (and it comes up in every GOAT thread) I think championships are a bad way to decide best player in a position.
You can have a goalie that stands on his head every game, but if the other 20 guys on the ice suck, you’re not going to have a championship team.
You can have the most accurate QB ever, but if all his receivers are butterfingers and his O-line is made of tissue paper, he’s going to look terrible (or you could be like my Atlanta Falcons this year, best offense in the league but we’re 7-4 because our defense blows).
You might have a basketball player that sinks 50 points a game, but if the other four guys stink, he can’t win the championship solo.
Baseball at least doesn’t suffer from this so much, because the statheads drill down into everything so much that it’s more about the numbers than the rings.