I guess I should count my blessings, though. I find it annoying that so many posters here feel the need to drag their anti-religion prejudice into every possible conversation. OTOH, if aggressive hostility to religion weren’t so widely accepted here, we might be overrun with proselytizing Christians, which would be far more annoying.
Umm, compared to a magic man in the sky that speaks things into existence humans colonizing the galaxy with hollowed out asteroids is on very solid ground.
Surely you know that’s not the part he was objecting to. This is the problematic language:
obsessed with an invisible sky daddy that beg for a favors and sing to once a week
That’s clearly a deliberately insulting way to refer to Christian beliefs. And since no one in this thread or being discussed in this thread was using Christianity to “lecture about objective reality” or advocating Christian Nationalism, it came out of nowhere.
You can argue whether or not it is hate speech, but it’s disingenuous to ignore the actual insulting part of what someone says.
Personally, I think it doesn’t make sense to mock people for the part that isn’t the actual problem. If nothing else, it’s a tactical miss, as now any transphobic Christian could focus on that part, and not the actual transphobia. It plays right into the Evangelical Christian persecution fantasy.
Plus you know there would be a lot of snowflakes complaining. “Waaah! Transgendered people get their own private bathroom and I don’t! Why should they get special treatment? Waaah!” I’ve already heard the same complaints about handicapped and pregnant people getting reserved parking spaces.
Precisely what does not play right into the Evangelical Christian persecution fantasy?
Well, now that I see where you are coming from…
Is it a religious thing that makes you misrepresent what other people say as you have done here, or is it just an asshole thing?
Once again, you misrepresent what was said.
I’ll agree it was a bit insulting towards people who impose their beliefs on others, but not every insult is hate speech. But we have already determined that you are willing to lie about what others have said in order to play your little martyr game.
I’ve asked people if they get internet points for pulling that sort of shit. Do you get martyr points for this? What can you trade them in for?
Or are you just an asshole, who gets enjoyment out of being an asshole?
Doesn’t really matter, plonk to you.
The fact that an accurate way of describing them ends up being insulting is not really on her, I don’t think.
I don’t think that she referred to anyone in this thread, people just popped their heads up in order to be insulted. However, if you don’t think that transphobia has a major foothold because of religion, then I don’t know what to tell you.
The fact that she identified a major root of transphobic panic doesn’t mean that all those who choose to believe in things that cannot actually exist are being named here. Sometimes, beliefs in something not real are harmless. Other times, they are extremely harmful. You should recognize this, rather than complaining when it is pointed out to you.
Ah, transphobic christians will misrepresent anything to further their hatred, it’s what they do. And they will even get people to white knight for them.
It doesn’t properly describe me as a Christian, and fuck you to any ignorant bigots who think otherwise.
It’s not a literal “daddy” in the sky, I don’t “sing once a week” or any of that shit. Yeah, it’s bullshit.
You can’t counter bigotry with bigotry. You’re just fueling it.
If someone who was a theist was mean to you, I’m sorry about that, but fuck your prejudice.
It’s amazing what a good deal theists have arranged for themselves. No other form of bigotry has to do with beliefs. Everything else is based on characteristics which are immutable, or nearly so–sex, race, gender, disability, and so on. But religion gets a special exception. It’s the only one which a person can change in themselves instantly, simply by changing their mind about a thing.
Furthermore, no other belief gets the same special treatment. I can call flat-Earthers dipshits and assholes every day of the week and not hear a peep. But do the same with religion and the pitchforks come out. Despite the fact that Christianity and other religions have a whole host of beliefs that are more absurd, less supportable, and more offensive than anything from the flat-Earthers.
Sorry for contributing to the hijack. Let’s all focus on what’s really important:
Aspidistra is a hateful idiot and a far worse person than anyone involved in this sidetrack.
“If?” We’re three months out from theists stripping every woman in America of her reproductive rights, and you’re phrasing this as a conditional?
Sorry that people whose fundamental rights are under constant attack by your co-religionists aren’t always perfectly polite when discussing your beliefs. I’m sure the pain you feel must be nearly unbearable. I hope you can find the strength to soldier through.
I hate those people too, but blaming it on everyone who believes in religion is pathetic. If you think that way, fuck you. Seriously.
It’s no different than saying everyone in the US is a MAGA drone, and describing everyone in the US that way. It’s ignorant bullshit.
This is where prejudice comes from, and I’m disgusted by anyone who would support it. Shame on you.
I thought you weren’t supposed to do that.
Solid comparison, I entirely agree. I personally deplore what American foreign policy has done to the Middle East, but if some guy from Iran who’s ten month old baby was killed in a drone strike wants to call Americans a pack of murderous assholes, I’m not going to get all indignant about it.
I’ll use whatever pronoun someone wants. To me, it’s not that huge of a deal to accommodate one’s desire on how to be addressed. Being compelled to do so is where I think it’s counterproductive to advancing your progressive ideal.
As to why I’m a conservative? It’s because I feel that modern liberalism is a dangerous cult cloaked with virtuous sounding platitudes. Those who want control of the apparatus of the state are only interested in power.
Forced with regards to this particular space is accurate. The expectation that the way one thinks can be altered as quickly and simply as using a light switch demonstrates either supreme arrogance or profound ignorance. Neither of which is helpful for moving society in the direction you want moved.
Let’s not restrict this to the SDMB. Did the advocation of eugenics in the general public diminish due to fiat imposed from figures in authority or did it change because of reasoned argument?
I was definitely against the concept being mandated by judicial decree if it opposed democratically enacted law because I thought that legislatures should have the power to enact law. Truth be told, I wasn’t in favor of same sex marriage myself because I thought society has an interest in promotion of reproduction. That is how the species continues and having extra incentives to reproduce, in my opinion, is a good thing.
But my views have evolved and I don’t think humanity is in any danger due to expanding the right to marry to be more inclusive. Am I ashamed about being a bit behind the curve on this subject? Yes. I am. Just as I am ashamed for some of the other things I thought when I was younger. Do I think the solution is dictated ways of speaking or thinking? No. I think the solution is well reasoned arguments.
Actual persecution.
There’s no such expectation. The purpose of the ban on miagendering has nothing to do with changing the way people think, and everything to do with ensuring this board is a welcoming and safe place for trans people. The board has decided that making sure trans people feel welcome is more important and more valuable than making sure transphobes feel free to say transphobic things.
Your understanding of why this board makes the decisions it does appears highly inaccurate.
I’m not but fuck those people.
Neither. Last I checked eugenics fell out of favor due to Nazis and the Holocaust. Heck, IIRC eugenics advocated Lindbergh changed his mind when he saw a liberated death camp.
How convenient of you to change the subject.
I am SO VERY FUCKING SICK of Christians thinking it’s all about them. ‘Beg invisible sky daddy for favors and sing once a week’ applies equally well to Islam and Judaism too. But, no. It’s always got to be about you!
ETA Yes, I’m serious. Note the cursing. I’ve been here since 2000 and have cursed about once a year.