Kirk: Scotty, are the whale tanks secure?
Scotty: Aye, sir, but I’ve never beamed up 400 tons before.
Kirk: 400 tons?
Scotty: Well, it’s not just the whales. It’s the water.
So I guess it’s 400 tons total. The internets tell me 2 average sized humpbacks would be about 70 tons, so about 330 tons of water. Actually, let’s not forget Gracie is preggers, so she’s probably even bigger, meaning even less of that 400 tons is water.
Or beer, given Kirk’s quizzical look at it after he takes his first sip.
He seems to comprehend breadsticks, though, so apparently the concept of complementary appetizers survived the various wars and horrors.
Technically, for me, IV is simply stupid, not weird, and V is bizarre. Whereas I said above IV was written by someone that had never watched Star Trek, V looks like it was written by someone that had never written a screenplay before*.
Forget the whole “why does God need a starship” part and remember that Sybok wanted to take over the Enterprise, so Kirk voluntarily makes a daring and highly risky shuttle landing on the Enterprise, giving Sybok exactly what he wanted. When you know, Kirk could have just…not. Or crashed the shuttle and saved everyone from the Wrath of God. And saved us all from the film, and from row row row your boat.
Time travel, especially ST, loves to use it as an excuse to make fun of us. Voyager’s 1996 (where was the Eugenics wars?) was pretty hostile to our time, and let’s not forget Riker’s disdain for the cyrogenically frozen trio in The Neutral Zone. Which was stupid in two ways: the first being that the 24th century has an equal amount of weirdness, and two, it actually worked! Riker mocks cryogenics as a stupid fad, yet there are three people right there that it worked for!
People that could be used to fill holes in the historical record, people that could tell the 24th century things they didn’t know, but the crew just couldn’t ship them off fast enough to go live in a home for the temporally displaced on a farm somewhere.
*David Loughery, this was his second film, with a story by Shat, so, yeah
Haven’t read the whole thread, but the OP’s summary is exactly why I didn’t go to ST IV when it came out. I got the plot summary from newspapers and thought « No. just no. »
Trek has always had silly episodes. No reason why it shouldn’t have silly movies, too.
Agreed.
“Tribbles” is considered one of the best and played heavy for humor.
I know “Piece of the Action” (Chicago Gangland world) is more of a base splitter, but I loved that one. Also running on rule of funny.
I’m kinda curious what that dude did with the transparent aluminum that led to the stricter adherence to the Prime Directive we saw in TNG.
He created a huge conglomerate that altered human history. It delayed the Eugenics wars by several decades, but somehow stopped the first successful Earth-Saturn probe, even though transparent aluminum you’d think would be great on a spaceship. When Kirk and co returned to the 23rd century, history was different, but the only people that would notice (the time travelers) just never looked.
Also, in only the way ST badly-written time travel works, it cured Kirk’s bad eyesight, made the Enterprise’s decks get renumbered bottom-up instead of top-down, and replaced Khan’s fellow genetic supermen followers with Chippendale’s dancers.
Star Trek IV was definitely weird and silly; there’s no disputing that. But it was also funny and fun. And I think that’s enough.
I like both.
ST IV was fun and well acted. ST V was just stupid.
V was one where you’re looking and looking and waiting for something good…Pretty much nothing until you get to McCoy and Spocks “Pain”
Star Trek 4 could have been worse…
Gene Roddenberry proposed a plot where the Enterprise crew went back in time to stop the Klingons from stopping JFK’s assassination,
He had proposed this idea for the second and third films as well and his obsession with it was one of things that soured his relationship with the executives at Paramount.
It’s now owned by Laika, which is what Will Vinton Studios rebranded as after Vinton was forced out. It’s on the path to genericide, i think, much like “plasticene.”
Not only that, Spock was going to fire the actual bullet, IIRC.
And Roddenberry wondered why he was forced out.
For those who might be interested, Greg Cox has recently written a novel called “Lost to Eternity” which heavily leans on ST4. Even if TrekLit isn’t your thing it’s a heck of a read.
Just my opinion…
I read as much as I could about it, including spoilers, to see if it was something I might like. Then I figured out it was by the same author as the Eugenics Wars novels, which I couldn’t finish because I thought the author completely went off the deep end.
And it’s funny - just today my wife was complaining about modern books and how they can’t tell a consecutive story any longer. They all have to jump around. And here we are!
I just always thought the title didn’t make sense. What is a “Voyage Home”? Like a rest home or a dogs’ home? The Journey Home would have made sense.
They’re in a ship. It’s a voyage.
Some kind of Star… trek?
These are the . . . voyages?