Star Trek movie poll: rank 'em

Whilst watching Star Trek: Insurrection the other day and staring in amazement at how much it sucked, I decided to re-rank the series:

  1. Wrath of Khan: The best of what the original was all about: top-notch overacting (Montalban vs Shatner!!!), great model-based special effects, it didn’t drone on
    forever, and it started the nasty Federation habit of burying people where they die with little or no regard to their religious or cultural beliefs.

  2. First Contact: Where else, but in the Star Trek universe could Stretch Cunningham invent warp drive! One word about the Borg Queen: moist.

  3. Undiscovered Country: Klingons spouting Shakespeare! shapeshifting supermodels! Sulu blows up stuff!

  4. The Voyage Home: Funny and entertaining without the need for excessive special effects.

  5. Search for Spock: OK, we’re starting to slip. Christopher IS Reverend Jim IS a Klingon! oooooooh-kay! Still, Kirk wacks the Enterprise (there goes the security deposit)

  6. Generations: Wow! Malcolm McDowell is a bad guy. Oooh. what a strecth. I HATE WHOOPI GOLDBERG!! Kirk dies on a mountain, let’s just bury him there!! One of Starfleet’s “greatest” heroes. Let’s just pile rocks on his dead broken body.

  7. The Final Frontier: See Shatner write! See Shatner direct!! See the franchise nearly go up in flames! There is a rumor that the ending will be re-done using CGI for release on DVD.

  8. The Motion Picture: An excellent example of trying WAY to hard. Pastel Enterpise, ick. V-ger? WTF???

  9. A swift kick in the nuts.

  10. Insurrection: Just not good. Data singing show tunes? And what’s with Picard’s love interest? Could she have a smaller mouth? Seriously, too many self-serving in-jokes, Riker without a beard, aliens ripped off from Voyager (Vidiians, anyone?). Jonathan Frakes succumbs to the double odd-number curse (ninth Trek movie, third TNG movie).

Star Trek X is in the script fine-tuning stage. PLEASE DON’T LET IT SUCK!!!

I just wanted to say that Insurrection is 125,345 times better than Generations, and that First Contact is the absolute best of them all.

Wait! You forgot the worst thing about Insurrection: you can fly the Enterprise with a joystick!!

Hey, I kinda liked Insurrection. Antonio Salieri as an alien. Cool.

(I am so glad that I an not the only person who thinks of that actor as “Stretch Cunningham”. I seem to have a block against his real name.)

The worst, bar none, was The Final Frontier. Shatner seemed to be unfamiliar with the series up to that point, and tried to write something that was not Trek. He allowed no other actor any dignity; witness Sulu and Chekov acting like high school kids, Uhura doing a fan dance, and Scotty reduced to slapstick. Unbearable…

Oh man! Star Trek IV was the absolute best! Wasn’t it directed by Nimoy?

There seems to be a pattern with the Star Trek movies. The odd numbered ones are bad, while the even numbered ones are good:

I, The Motion Picture: Bad

II, Wrath of Khan: Very good

III, Search for Spock: Not terrible, but I’m not rushing to see that one again any time soon.

IV, Voyage Home: Very good, funny.

V, Final Frontier: Don’t even get me started!! At least it had one good line “Jim, you don’t just walk up to the Almighty and ask Him for His ID.” But that’s all the movie had going for it.

VI, Undiscovered Country: Very good. Christopher Plummer as a Klingon. A great story.

VII, Generations: Not too bad, but, again, I’m not rushing to see this one either.

VIII, First Contact: Excellent movie.

IX, Insurrection: Lame story.

At least with this pattern, the next movie should be good.

Zev Steinhardt

Yes, IV was directed by Nimoy. There was a funny story associated with the filming:

Seems Leo was using his flip phone one day and people were pointing at him and laughing. This occured several times. It finally dawned on him why: his flip phone was about the same size as the communicators used on the original show!

Hey, Mr. Blue Sky, some people like them small mouthed chicks!
I bet jebus has her poster taped to the ceiling above his bed.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=32361

My ratings:

#1The Voyage Home.

#2The Wrath of Khan.

#3The Undiscovered Country.

#4First Contact.

#5Insurrection.

#6The Search for Spock.

#7Generations.

#8The Final Frontier.

#9The Motion Picture.

I don’t know about an numerical ranking, but here I go.

EXCELLENT-

STAR TREK II-WRATH OF KHAN-excellent action with real character studies and the best acting of the movie series. Best of the best

STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY- raises real issues and even more great acting and charecters. Marred somewhat by the really silly prison interlude.

STAR TREK III- THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK- a retread of the second movie, but almost as good.

PRETTY GOOD-

STAR TREK IV:THE VOYAGE HOME- time travel gimmick is just a plot device to get them in the twentieth century, but still funny and with a lot of heart.

STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT- the best visual effects of the series, but upon repeat viewings, it is evident that this a fairly empty headed shoot 'em up that is totally inconsistent with the rest of the the NEXT GENERATION series.

OK-

STAR TREK:GENERATIONS- A few good moments do not make for an utterly ridiculous plot.

STAR TREK INSURRECTION- not bad, but this is an awfully small story for a Star Trek movie

STAR TREK I: THE MOTION PICTURE- good to see the old crew again, but this is a fairly boring and plotless endeavor.

BAD-

STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER- really bad.

My advice for the next movie…hold out until you have a really good script, as all NEXT GENERATION movies have been very weak in that regard. The two part/two hour episodes “The Best of Both Worlds”, “Redemption” and “All Good Things…” were all much better than any of the NEXT GENERATIONS movies.

STAR TREK:INSURRECTION

Alright, my .02cr

The Motion Picture Blah. Medocire. Fair to Middling
Wrath of Kahn They dump everything from the first movie. Montalban vs. Shatner. Great, focused movie.

Search for Spock Not bad, but not great.
Voyage Home Funny, Cool, not too Trek-like tho.
The Final Frontier Paramount edited the hell out of the story. Nimoy quoted as saying “Nothing could have saved it.” Shatner takes blame. (It’s in Salon, look it up.) Bad movie, as it ignores most of IV.
Undiscovered Country Great! Klingons do shakespeare, Sulu has his own ship, and the question we’ve all been waiting for; McCoy to Kirk, after he kisses Iman’s character “What is it with you, anyway?”
Generations TNG cast first outing, and kills off Kirk. They wimp out with Kirk’s death (it blows chunks), and mercfully kill off those lameass klingon sisters.
First Contact Bad, revisionist as hell in a universe that isn’t consistant to begin with. Borg parts are the best, with best line being Riker to Troi “You’re blended all right.”
Insurection Misleading title, but not too bad. The singing part was embarrasing. Good Villian. Picard gets to play Kirk, while Riker pilots the Enterprise (a brand new one, shot to hell again) with a Microsoft force feedback joystick.

Best: 2,4,6
Fair: 3,9,8,
Bad: 7,1,5

Note to John Logan: I’d like to see Q, hint hint.

I can’t rate the Next Generation movies relative to the “Classic Trek” movies, because I’m hopelessly biased in favor of the classic show.

Having said that, I’ve seen all the TNG movies, and NONE of them were as boring as Star Trek I, and as terribly, awfully traumautizing as THAT PIECE OF SHIT ** [sup]™[/sup]**.

Anyway, of the first six movies, I liked Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered County, and Voyage Home best, in that order. Search for Spock wasn’t bad, except that the whole premise was, to put it mildly, obvious–like they would have gone down there, and Spock would still be dead. Yup. Uh huh. (Also the woman who took over for Kirstie Alley wasn’t nearly as good looking as Ms. Alley…but I digress.)

Star Trek I was incredibly dull–like watching paint dry.

As for “William Shatner’s ego defecating on screen”*, I’d much rather watch gay porn**
*[sub]OK, Star Trek V may not have been completely Shatner’s fault. But he seemed pretty damned proud of it in a TV interview I saw.[/sub]

**[sub]The following disclaimers should apply:

–I mean no offense to gay people

–I mean no offense to pornographers

–I’m straight

–that comment about gay porn was hyperbole, anyway [/sub]

I am a piss-poor Star Trek fan (and I AM a fan, I AM!!) because some of these ST films I’ve only seen once, or a long time ago. So memory fades…

Also bear in mind that my ratings will take in my liking for the particular musical score (I am a big film music fan.)

But here are my ratings:

#1–The Voyage Home. It was just wonderful. Sentimental favorite.

#2–First Contact. I loved the story, loved the characters, and loved the score by Jerry Goldsmith.

#3–The Wrath of Khan. Can’t resist Ricardo Montalban chewing the scenery!

#4–The Search for Spock. I liked it.

#5–Insurrection. Eh. I know the plot was simple, but I liked the cast, and the Jerry Goldsmith score was lovely.

#6–The Motion Picture. Sentimental favorite. It was long and drawn-out, but had beautiful special effects. And Jerry Goldsmith was robbed of that Oscar, robbed!

#7–The Undiscovered Country. Eh. Hardly remember it.

#8–Generations. Eh, hardly remember it, but anything with Malcolm MacDowall can’t be all bad.

#9–The Final Frontier. This SUCKED so bad. Even the Jerry Goldsmith score, and the inclusion of (sigh) Yosemite National Park (that’s where Kirk is “rock climbing” in the beginning of the film) could save this loser.

Comments on the movies:
STTMP: Basically, an regular Trek episode, with LOTS of extra special effects. OK, OK, we get the point. V-ger is REALLY big. LET’S MOVE ON! Plus side: The rebirth of the Klingons as the real kick-ass species that they are.

Wrath of Kahn: easily the best. Why couldn’t they just transport the Genesis Device off the Reliant and scatter its atoms across the nebula?

Search For Spock: Comic book plotline? The Enterprise can run by five poeople? (and lots of guys in red shirts to die…) Bonus: Enterprise go BOOM

Voyage Home: Fun, fun, fun. ‘I got used to flying a Huey’ >snort<

Final Frontier: Oy, vey

Undicovered Country: An acceptable apology for Final Frontier. Alarms go off if you fire a phaser on board the ship? Really? A safety reg brought up just to cover an OBVIOUS flaw in the plotline (Once again, why not just take the assassin away team and spread their atoms across the universe when you transport them back?)

Generations: OK, for what it’s worth… Enterprise goes boom… AGAIN.

First Contact: More fun w/ the Borg. Locutus, we hardly knew ya… Plus it had Barclay (the antithesis of a Starfleet officer, and easily one of my favorites because of this)

Insurrection. I actually liked this one. Question: Why did Picard’s love interest, on a planet that is the embodiment of the ‘Fountain of Youth’, have such obviously collagen-enhanced lips?

Has anyone noticed that throughout all the series, that except for the occasional alternate universe Enterprise blowing up or the “Enterprise blowed up but we went back in time to keep it from happening”, the only times the Enterprise ever actually was destroyed were in movies 3 and 7? (Did they blow it up in 9? I know I saw it, but have since erased it’s memory from my mind.) It seems that longest any single Enterprise lasted is about 2 1/2 movies, then it’s time to blow it up or decommission it. Oh, and then they always manage to get another ship called “Enterprise” with pretty much the same command crew…

The shameful thing I have to admit is that I actually kinda liked 5 a little when I first saw it. Of course, this was because it came out when I was at the peak of my affinity for Star Trek and almost thought they could do no wrong. Well, except for the first movie. I was young and impressionable, and it had a few neat special effects–please forgive me.

Undiscovered Country: Let’s not even get started on why a computer system is SO easy to use, Joe schmo can delete Photon Torpedo records, even tho he’s actually a cook 8th class. That’s fracking stupid. Oh, and no one on the bridge, with all those supposedly networked computers, can detect that! STUPID!

IIRC, Valeris is the one who tampered with the records–and she did it during the confusion right after they saw the Klingon ship take a hit. Everyone was in “WTF just happened?” mode, and she was typing merrily away. It makes a lot more sense with her doing the tricky bits.

On another point, I think the phaser alarm makes sense–sure, it’s a plot device, but it’s not an irrational one. I don’t know why she didn’t just foul up the transport of her flunkies when they were beaming back to the Enterprise, though…

re: Valeris

Good point,hadn’t thought about that. Does make more sense, tho did they ever point that out in the movie?

Do you like Jerry Goldsmith? :wink: I think he’s very good too, though as far as Trek scores go, I prefer James Horner’s for Khan and Search.

My preference, in order:

  1. Wrath of Khan (It would be the perfect Trek movie, except that it’s difficult to accept the Genesis torpedo. A device only six feet tall can use the material of a nebula to create an entire planet and a star for it to orbit at just the right distance for it to be Earth-like? Maybe the star already existed, hidden in the nebula, but that would still mean that little gadget managed to create the new planet in just the right orbit. And people find it difficult to accept the Transporter.)

  2. The Undiscovered Country (Lovely swan song. I couldn’t understand how those Klingon torpedoes were able to get through the Enterprise’s shields so easily, though. Chekov is NOT an idiot and he’s way too old to still act like a rookie. Hell, he’s a Commander, fer cryin’ out loud! He should’ve explained the phaser alarm to some confused ensign.)

  3. First Contact “So, you’re all astronauts on some kind of star trek?” (First and only time that phrase has actually been used in a movie or episode.) Main drawback: Dr. Crusher should’ve been the one to tell Picard he was getting obsessed, not a guest star. But when you hire an expensive guest star (Alfre Woodard), you gotta give him/her something important to do. Cochrane was played by James Cromwell.)

  4. The Voyage Home (Would’ve ranked higher, except it was TOO humorous. Trek is supposed to be drama with occaisional comic relief. This was a comedy with occaisional dramatic relief, if there is such a thing.)

  5. Search for Spock (Perhaps the most anti-climactic movie in history. Did anyone really think they weren’t going to find him?)

  6. Generations (Gotta give Shatner one last chance to ham it up. I’m one of those rare Trekkers who likes the Original Series in spite of Shatner and not because of him. Picard’s greatest desire seemed so… common and out of character. If his greatest desire is to marry and have children, why doesn’t he? What’s stopping him? No, his greatest desire is to captain a starship and that’s just what he’s doing.)

  7. The Motion(less) Picture (The crew sure spends an awful lot of time staring at the Main Viewer, don’t they? At least a third of the movie is spent on the Bridge watching a really big TV screen. Who was the editor? Did it have an editor? The story was cobbled together from the plots of at least two TOS episodes: “The Changeling” (“I am Nomad.”) and “The Doomsday Machine” (REALLY BIG alien ship/weapon must be reasoned with or destroyed). The late Persis Khambatta could NOT act. The costumes looked like pajamas, the phasers were like toys. The Enterprise wasn’t re-fitted, it was re-built; they didn’t keep even ONE bolt from the old ship.)

  8. Insurrection (Data malfunctions again. They use the word “boobs” in the 24th Century? Data misunderstands a colloquialism again. Annoying children. Plot was nothing to get excited about; the publicity made it seem like it would be the Enterprise-E against all of Star Fleet and it was yet another variation on the Fountain of Youth myth. Nice location shooting in the Sierras, though.)

  9. Having one of Khan’s worms crawl into my head.

  10. The Final Frontier (Writer David (“Tribbles”) Gerrold referred to the movie (in my presence) as Star Trek–The Spinal Tap, meaning it was the most painful movie-watching experience he had ever had. If I were to list all of things wrong with this movie (writing, acting, directing, cinematography, special effects), I’d be here the rest of the day. So, toodles.)

STTMP: Basically a retelling of “The Changeling,” the episode with the probe Nomad, with a different ending. I loved this movie when it came out, because none of the local stations had aired Star Trek in a couple of years, and the Enterprise looked so gorgeous up there on the big screen. Watching it now on videotape, with the 20 minutes of extra footage picked back up off the cutting room floor and spliced back in, I tend to be bored by the incredibly looong shots of V’Ger’s cloud, and I hate the ugly uniforms.

Wrath of Khan: Star Trek at the top of its game here. Tons of action, featuring Ricardo Montalban as the only man ever to chew more scenery than Shatner. Great ship-to-ship combat that we never got to see in the series, with chunks of debris and big burn scars across the ships. Sure beats the hell out of shaking the camera and having the crew flail about! Plus, Kirstie Alley made a rather fetching Saavik as well. Spock’s death was robbed of impact largely because by the time the movie premiered it had become known that he would be back for the next one.

The Search for Spock: Well, the movie was overall fairly dull, but had a few good scenes in it. Of course McCoy’s line-- “That green-blooded son of a bitch! It’s his revenge for all those arguments he lost.”-- is the best one in the whole movie, followed by Kirk’s “I…have had… enough of you!” As he kicks Kruge into the firy abyss. (I still see Kruge as Reverend Jim when I watch though.) Best of all though, was the destruction of the Enterprise. That really got my attention at the time. I was shocked and horrified that they did that. How could they?

The Voyage Home: Good laughs in this one, but overall a pretty thin plot, summed up ably by McCoy: “You mean you’re going to slingshot around the sun to go back in time to try and find some humpbacked whales, so that you can bring them back here and hope they tell that probe what to go do with itself?” The whole save-the-whales theme was really heavy handed I thought. Still, the ineptitude of the crew when faced with our society was pretty hilarious, and the scene at the end when they fly towards the Excelsior and then over it to reveal the new Enterprise is terrific. Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up at the theater.

The Final Frontier: An object lesson. The folks at Paramount have said that they would like to regard this one as apocryphal, and I can understand why. This is the “Spock’s Brain” of Trek movies. I am embarassed to be a fan of the franchise whenever this cinematic turd comes to mind. Jet boots are cool and all, but they can’t turn the Enterprise into a ship with 78 decks for Pete’s sake! Spock had a banished, emotional, half-brother rebel with a secret pain-healing, mind-controlling power? No ship can possibly breach the Great Barrier unless it’s the Enterprise and a tiny Klingon scout ship, both of whom suffer no damage AT ALL? The supposed God that they meet is far inferior in power than awhole bunch of enemies they dealt with in the TV show, yet everybody but Kirk falls for it until he speaks up? Row, Row, Row Your Boat??? Anybody that ever lets Shatner write or direct anything ever again deserves to have “moron” tattooed on their foreheads in neon letters.

The Undiscovered Country: Second only to Wrath of Khan as far as I am concerned. Spock has stopped acting like a dink, which he did during the previous two movies. Big plus right there. Better yet, we’re back to some really great battles between ships, and finally there is a real story going on here. Christopher Plummer makes a great Klingon, and seeing Sulu with his own command is gratifying as well. The movie is paced well, and it delivers a solid story.

Generations: Well, the new guys finally get a crack at the movies, and they start out pretty mediocre. The whole Guinan/Nexus plot is lame. Actually, anything having anything to do with Guinan is lame, as she was the dullest character aboard the Enterprise D. Data’s emotional difficulties are fun as well. The very best thing they did in the whole movie though, was destroy the Enterprise-D! I always thought it was an extremely ugly, wimpy-looking ship, lacking in elegance and charm. Unlike when the original went down, I was actively glad to see that thing eat chunks of the planet. And of course, Data’s uncharacteristic “Oh shit!” was hilarious. Killing off Kirk in the manner they did was very lame as well. Dying from a fall while facing a third-rate villain? C’mon! Kirk has chunks of guys like that in his stool fercryinoutloud! They need to bring him back and send him out in a more appropriate fashion.

First Contact: This shows that the new guys could actually make a halfway decent movie if they wanted to. Plenty of action here-- far more than in the Next Generation series, where Picard’s idea of action is generally writing a stern letter of protest to the Romulan Senate. But then again, this movie had the Borg, which are better villains than the original series ever came up with. Nifty looking new ship was a benefit too.

Insurrection: Yawn. What a snoozer. It isn’t even up to the standards of a decent episode let alone a movie. No huge flaws, but just not very interesting all the way round. By now, we’ve already seen that the Federation and Starfleet Command have some Bad Elements in them. The best part of the whole movie is when Data goes berzerk, and that’s the opening sequence. Oh, and aren’t they stretching the amazing coincidence of Worf’s presence a little thin these days?