Pfft, it’s Star Trek. One transporter accident and his entire family is back from the dead.
Discovery is dark (I think it’s my favourite Trek). DS9 was often dark.
Where is the “Star” or the “Trek” in an old man pottering around alone in Burgundy?
Agreed. Star Trek needs to have copious amounts of star trekking. Otherwise, what’s the point?
Shatner voice: "The trek! Issssss to find one’s self! Issss to. BETTER…Our selves!
Gen. Tle. Men. We reachforthestars…everytime we. Wake UP!"
No forehead bumps.
You know who she does look like, though? Lal.
[Hisses furiously]
I don’t get how its Data. or B4 (even with Datas engrams) if thats B4s body we see dissasembled .
I guess it ciuld be Data in B4 and something happened where Data demanded he be disassembled…or it could be Lore.
I have two theories regarding the poker scene:
- It’s Data’s consciousness extracted from B4 and stuck in a holodeck program.
- It’s Lore, possibly with some part of Data grafted onto him. The last time we see Lore, Data is taking him apart, which fits the image of a disassembled android in a drawer.
Considering the multiple references to Data and the Borg in the trailer, I’m betting she’s an advanced android.
I like that thought. And IIRC, Stewart’s very favorite TNG episode is “The Measure of a Man”, in which he defends Data’s rights as a sentient being in Federation court. Perhaps this woman/android seeks him out because of his successful defense of Data in that court, and she thinks he’s the only one she can trust at the same time that Starfleet operatives, the Borg, and perhaps others are trying to capture and study her.
Another thread that started last month: https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=877163
Whichever android it is, it seems that it wasn’t peacefully disassembled. Look closely at the torso and you will see damage and apparently chunks missing that were not at disassembly points. Possibly Data is supposed to have been blown to larger smithereens than originally implied?
Or maybe she’s an advanced Borg who seeks out Picard because Locutus.
Complete wild-ass guess: she’s the Borg queen, or will become the Borg queen. After all, we know that the Borg queen isn’t (will not have been) bound by linear time (‘You think in such three-dimensional terms…’), plus it sets up tons of moral conundrums (she might be an innocent now, but she’ll become a tyrant later, do I try to save her, kill her, none of the above?), and connects to the whole Borg/Data/Picard angle.
Only problem is, I never liked the Borg queen as an idea…
That was the best TNG movie by far, but 8 agree that the Borg queen kind of ruined the Borg. They were better as faceless, implacable and inscrutable villains, IMO.
Whatever their plans are for Picard, apparently the show revolves around him; considering it’s named after him.
Maybe he becomes important because of his experience with the Borg. If so, it’s hard to see how they can continue with that storyline for long.
I agree that the Borg queen was a mistake.
The Borg Queen is in the Voyager finale. I wasn’t very impressed with that character.
You have to look at it that the Borg Queen isn’t really a “queen” like in the insect sense. There IS no central ruler. The BQ is merely the Borg’s adaptation to getting their asses kicked by a hierarchical command structure that humans use. So they are “adapting” by having a “queen” who is a leader-who-isn’t-a-leader. She’s both in charge and part of the collective. The BQ did not exist before the Borg’s defeat in BoBW. The “outside of time” is just Borg subterfuge.
That is, assuming the whole BQ isn’t just a simple lie to put humans off guard. Let them think they’re dealing with a “leader” that isn’t really there. Let them follow their “two dimensional thinking”. It didn’t work any better, though. ST:FC still makes sense if you assume everything the BQ says is a lie.
Of course, everything the BQ is in after FC is a mess. Thanks, Voyager.