I’m pretty sure that every moon in our system with the exception of perhaps Europa doesn’t have a microbe on it… but yeah, I like the idea of those tree-huggers making Star Fleet jump through hoops.
This is no place for reasonableness. Pick a side and ride it!
Yeah, I was reaching there. I actually like the genesis device. I think it’s an excellent man taking on the role of god metaphor thingee.
Hmm… that sounds good. I can’t imagine that anyone would let him keep it.
Now that is some epic fanwankery.
Oh I know, having toyed with both I have to agree.
In a few minutes, I have to go out for the weekend, but suffice it to say that whatever flaws are present in TWOK, it’s easy to ignore them in light of the compelling drama and twin themes of revenge and getting old.
Trek 2009 has no such drama, hence the plot holes are impossible to ignore. As far as I can tell, the whole movie is nothing but plot holes, broken up by a few cute moments here and there.
A lot of those problems could have been easily dealt with. When Kirk tells Pike he’ll graduate in 3 years they could have flash fowarded to the future when Kirk is first taking command of the Enterprise. To keep the old canon somewhat straight, Spock could already be the ships executive office, but he and Kirk don’t see eye to eye at first.
A few lines of dialogue could establish that Kirk and McCoy are “old friends” and that McCoy is the ship’s Medical Officer. Even if Kirk brought him aboard when he took command and McCoy was 2nd in command of the medical section, he could have been elecvated to CMO when the original is killed.
Chekov didn’t bother me too much. Scotty’s gremlin buddy did a little.
My first post in the thread was about hating the Trek 90210, you’ll recall. And I agree. It occurs to me that all movies have plot holes. When a movie succeeds is when it draws you into its world so compelling that you only notice later, or when you like the characters so much that you don’t care.
This is why TWoK works. It’s not about the Genesis device, as it would have been if it had been a TNG episode; nor is it about revenge, as it would have been if it were a Voyager episode. It’s about Kirk realizing he’s on the downward slope of that long march toward the grave, and that he hates his life because he hates not being in the saddle. That’s why it works: because 60s!Kirk isn’t a starchild whose had everything handed to him by fate, and because we like him and want him to to succeed emotionally as he has professionally.
I think Walter Koenig himself had a bit of an actorwank about that about how Khan must have been kept waiting overly long to use the bathroom by Ensign Chekov during his visit to the Enterprise.
It’s the only plot hole that detracts from the movie as far as I’m concerned. And even though the command structure is so odd, I still really enjoyed the feel of the cast being a part of something, rather than just having Starfleet and The Federation be The Man.
Dude, we’re in Cafe Society talking about Star Trek. Everything here that doesn’t have an IMDB reference is an opinion.
I was mostly kidding, but certainly Spock gives Saavik the conn as a joke on Kirk–though perhaps not out of boredom. Spock is, after all, a fairly subtle fellow; he may have had some other purpose. How do you see the scene?
I’m going to see it tomorrow for the second time, and I’m very much looking forward to it. I can’t remember the last time I’ve had so much fun at an action movie.
I did NOT wade through 11 pages–I might do so tomorrow if #2 son’s soccer is canceled due to rain.
I just got back from the movie. Here are my thoughts:
It’s mozzarella atop Roquefort below cheddar smothered in Velveeta with sprinkles of Parmesan, but I had fun. I think they added that bit about the dilithium crystals near the end just for the fans.
I hated Kirk as a boy. Almost wet myself at the inane silliness of Mrs Kirk giving birth as their ship is destroyed and laughed throughout the movie at such things as a small ball of “red matter” is enough to destroy an entire planet, but the whole shebang is not enough to do in a Romulan warship.
I loved seeing Nimoy again, although I had some trouble understanding him.
I really liked the younger Spock, thought the young cadet Kirk was a real jerk, but he grew on me. Chekov’s curly hair was distracting (or maybe he just bugged me). Uhura and Spock were cool together. Scotty was good, but McCoy seemed to be a cross between the old Bones and Number 1.
I’d rent it again, but I wouldn’t pay theater prices to see it again.
I don’t think so. Looking around at some of the women who are managers, and even executives in my company, many of them choose to dress quite sexily at work. They don’t look like they are ready for a night club, but mini skirts are common enough as are other clothing that shows off their figures.
This whole idea that being sexy somehow is incompatible with competency is an idea whose time has already passed.
And I am sure it is not just male officers who enjoy the sight.
A new Snickers commercial ever just occurred to me!
“Not going anywhere for a while (because you’re a grief-crazed Romulan who has to wait 25 years for the Vulcan to pop through the black hole with the red matter)? Snickers really satisfies.”
I didn’t really want to wade through 11 pages either
I caught it last night and will likely catch it again when the cheap ticket day at the cinema next comes around.
It was a laugh, Star Trek lite for those who may not even have been soured by Enterprise. I enjoyed it, plot holes and all. An enthusiastic cast and a speed that doesn’t let you stop to look too hard at those plot holes made it entirely enjoyable. Five minutes in I was hooked and I was surprised at that too.
Nice to see the little references to Trek of old, Pike in a wheelchair, Kirk gnawing on an apple during the Kobayashi Maru and some I didn’t spot myself first time around.
