15th episode of the 2nd season; they’d long since made contact with the Alpha Quadrant through a wormhole, sought out a second Caretaker, met Amelia Earhart, contacted the aliens who’d visited Chakotay’s tribe in antiquity, negotiated a swap of our culture’s literature for an interstellar teleportation device…
Seriously? My aging memory had “Threshold” as much earlier in the series.
(Oh, gods, Amelia Earhart. I blanked that one from my mind.)
“Surely, you don’t think Gilligan’s Island is a…” “Those poor people!”
Stranger
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Chuck Sonnenberg has got enough Star Trek reviews to choke a camel, and his Voyager reviews are probably the best, with a combination of head-shaking and over-the-topness. Enterprise was possibly the worst series, but that was largely just going through the motions. In Voyager, they seemed to actually thought they didn’t completely suck.
If this is a general VOY bitchfest now, can I complain for a second about Tuvix’s outfit? I mean, even if we accept that their DNA can be merged, how does it make any sense at all that the designs of their clothes also combined?
As I remember, it’s all done with flowers. That explains it.
It isn’t so much meeting the same species that bothers me, which may make sense if they migrated over the centuries, but that they keep running across the same individuals.
Those horrible, horrible Kazons for instance. A technologically inferior species keeps getting ahead of the Federation’s newest hot-rod headed full tilt away from them.
And to make it worse, they were those fricking boring Kazons.
Never mind the obvious, that in “Star Trek V: The Final Frontier” Kirk went to center of the galaxy and was back two years later to take on the Klingons. I guess Voyager was taking the long way around. But that’s the difference between Kirk and Janeway for you.
What bugs me about this is the presumption that the Federation never managed to retrace Voyager’s route and establish relations with these people, even after 800 years.
You know, this would be a pretty interesting story concept. Like, starship goes out looking like Voyager, comes back looking like LEXX …
Which begs the old philosophical question, if you slowly piece-by-piece replace every panel, circuit, and bio-neural gel pack on Voyager, is it still Voyager?
Well, as I recall, V-Ger still had the original gold laser disc, so there was that.
Nothing about the “warp speed factor”, time & distances mentioned in Star Trek make sense.
Trips that should have taken months seem to take minutes. (In the latest Star Trek movie, the NewEnterprise goes from Earth to Vulcan (40 Eridani, a little over 16 light years) in less than ten minutes. That’s (if my math is right) 841,536 times the speed of light.
Warp = speed of plot.
Replication/energy conservation was the biggest inconsistency for me.
At the beginning of the series, the lack of sufficient power was used to explain why they couldn’t simply replicate all their food or weapons or more CPUs or whatever and why holodeck time was limited.
By the time I stopped watching, the writers simply didn’t care. The holodeck was used just about as often as TNG and all those carefully hoarded photon torpedos were being used in every other episodes like spitballs.
The whole show is a Gilligan’s incident - Lost in Space with more boring characters.
When TOS first came on I cheered, because for once here was an sf series (as opposed to an anthology series) where the characters were in control of things. Sad that they went back to that hoariest of series ideas, the neverending (until the show ends) quest.
I quit after a season and a half. I’ll eventually get to it in my watch all of ST project.
As for warp speed, in 1966 it was a great advance to have a show which realized you couldn’t go faster than light by pressing on the accelerator harder. Too bad they never got beyond that simple concept.
The biggest problem was that they treated the Doctor’s “program” exactly like a soul and not a piece of software. Let’s assume that, for whatever reason, Voyager’s computer can only run one Doctor at a time. Then the mobile emitter enters the picture. So why can’t they have one Doctor being run by the ship’s computer, and one by the mobile emitter? Why does the ship’s computer delete his program as it’s being transfered into the mobile emitter & vice versa? Or all the times his program was transmitted to the Alpha Quadrant? IIRC he even left part of his program back on Voyager in those cases to save on bandwith. Frankley alot of things would’ve made more sense if he was simply an andriod like the Kyrians thought.
Part of the problem was that his traige subroutines gave both patients an exactly equal chance of survival if he acted immediatly, and he resolved the conflict by treating his friend (friendship not being part of his original program at all).
Or how only once in the history of Star Trek did it ever occur to anyone that they could stop a boarding party simply by turning up the artificial gravity in that part of the ship. :smack: And that wasn’t even in the main universe, it was in the Mirror Universe.
You’re assuming that the Federation still exists 800 yrs later. And don’t say Captain Braxton is proof. He’s from the 29th century; 800 yrs after the 24th century would make that episode set in the 32nd century.
What would anyone’s list of bad cookies include?
Osama bin Laden, Adolph Hitler, flash drives…
Yup. I never really watched Voyager, but I vaguely remember watching one episode, where the doctor had to save a patient who, for the sake of simplifying the obvious analogy, I’ll call a Space Jew. The problem was that the person who had discovered how to cure his particular condition was Space Hitler, or at least a member of the Space Nazi Party.
Now, some reasonable people might say, oh, well, that sucks, but hey, the information is in the database, here’s your cure, who’s next? But no. In Voyager land, the only way to access the cure was to create a hologram version of Space Hitler, so that Space Hitler and Space Jew could have dramatic face-to-face confrontations and Deep Arguments about Worrying Philosophical and Ethical Issues, and so that the doctor could attempt to talk Space Hitler into explaining the cure, and talk Space Jew into accepting the cure that was discovered by this horrible war criminal, yadda yadda yadda. It was utterly ridiculous.
Again, I didn’t really watch the show, and it’s been a decade or two since I saw this episode, and I wasn’t really paying that much attention to begin with, so I probably have some of this wrong.
I never understood why, if a boarding party beamed aboard, they couldn’t just beam them right back off, and into space or something.
Obviously a transporter accident…
That’s right up there with infantry fighting with phasers.
I guess your boarding party would have to take the transporter room first.
NCC1701D had several transporter rooms, did it not?