Star Wars Fans - how would YOU have written the prequels?

Like a lot of Star Wars fans, I was very disappointed by the prequel trilogy. I know there have been a thousand threads on this board and on a million other ones about how bad the prequels sucked (and obviously it’s a matter of taste, so I’m sharing my opinion here) - so I won’t go too in depth about what I didn’t like about the prequels. In short, my main complaints were that the CGI was overused and too slick-looking, the movies were too kid-friendly and cute (particularly PM and AOTC,) and the overall charm of the originals (the “used universe” concept and rugged, worn look and feel of everything) was lost with the new films. In addition, I thought Christensen and Portman had no chemistry, the character of young Obi-Wan was dispassionate and uninspiring, and the movies suffered from the lack of a bad-boy character like Han Solo.

I know there are a lot of Star Wars fans here (along with fans of many other fantasy and sci-fi universes). So the purpose of this thread is to imagine yourself as George Lucas, and share what you would have made the prequels like if it was your job to make them.

I’m going to go first.

(Let it be known that I’m probably going to be violating the whole “canon” here, and while I have some knowledge of the “expanded universe,” continuity with the canon is not as important to my vision of the prequels as it might be to some others. I’m inventing some of the back story here with my own imagination. Try to think of my proposed prequels as just being counterparts to the films, and not necessarily fitting in with the rest of the expanded universe.)

I would have gone for a completely different approach, in terms of the structure of the trilogy. I didn’t like the fact that all three prequels fixated on Anakin’s character development, and I especially didn’t like the fact that PM featured him as a cute lil’ kid. So my three movies, Episodes I through III, would be summarized thusly:

Episode I. The back story of Anakin Skywalker, starting as a young man in his twenties.

It would begin with his early life on Tatooine as an erstwhile drifter. He would be taken in by Obi-Wan Kenobi, who would teach him the Jedi ways. He and Kenobi would fight in the Clone Wars as mercenaries, and this is where Skywalker would meet Amidala and subsequently conceive Luke and Leia. The whole Clone Wars would be not a slick, CGI, alien-and-robot-heavy production, but a very gritty and realistic campaign. Think Spartacus and Gladiator, but set in the Star Wars universe. It would focus primarily on human combat, since I believe the emphasis on aliens and droids detracted from the human touch that the original movies had, and mass battle scenes involving aliens and droids would involve CGI which I am strongly against. After Palpatine emerges as the victor of the Clone Wars and is shown to be clearly evil, Anakin goes to the dark side and becomes his second-in-command, Vader. (In my conception, he does not immediately adopt the face mask and helmet. He is evil, but not THAT evil yet. I wasn’t happy with the instantaneous transformation, including height increase, from Anakin to Vader.)
Episode II. The Formation of the Empire.

Everyone knows that the real reason Star Wars is so badass is because of the Empire. This second episode would concentrate on how the people of the Empire, particularly its officers and troops, were recruited and turned into a powerful military force. I reject the idea that “the stormtroopers are all clones.” I would show the Empire traveling to many different planets and recruiting men to serve as Stormtroopers, TIE pilots, and starship officers. This would serve as an opportunity to give back-story to a very compelling character who I feel the prequels completely neglected: Grand Moff Tarkin. He would be a major character in this episode, as his rise through the Imperial ranks is followed. I envision the younger Tarkin as being played by Hugh Laurie. It’s a perfect opportunity to develop the rivalry between him and Vader that is shown in A New Hope. Another character that could be fleshed out is that of General Veers, the AT-AT commander who is shown in Empire Strikes Back. He would be a young man here, proving himself on the battlefield as a Walker pilot. The main battles in this movie would be the many conquests of the Empire over the planets in the galaxy. A wide variety of exotic locales would be shown, but again, the combat would be gritty-looking, primarily human-based, and devoid of the overdone CGI that, in my opinion, cheapened the battles of the prequels. The film would end with the galaxy enslaved and devastated by the Empire, and Vader turned completely evil. He would have been wounded in one of the many battles that he fought in as an Imperial general, requiring him to wear the distinctive face mask and helmet by the film’s close.

Episode III. The story of Han Solo: his early life as a TIE Fighter pilot; his meetings with Chewbacca and Lando; his becoming a mercenary and smuggler; and the beginnings of the Rebellion.

The character of Han Solo was the heart and soul of the original Star Wars movies. His cockiness, humor and general badassness served as a perfect foil to the other figures of the story, and the lack of such a character was a severe detriment to the prequels. My Episode III would feature him as the protagonist. According to Wikipedia, Solo was a TIE pilot prior to becoming a smuggler. And everyone knows that the TIE pilots were the most badass-looking of all the Imperial units. The movie would open with a massive space battle between TIE fighters and Y-wings. Leading the TIE squadron would be an Interceptor. After the battle, which the Empire would win, the Interceptor would land and the pilot, still wearing the TIE Pilot helmet, would step out; an Imperial officer would greet him with “Captain Solo!” at which point he would remove the helmet, revealing a face that looked suitably like a young Harrison Ford. Solo would be shown as a successful Imperial pilot, but gradually becoming disenchanted with the Empire’s evil subjugation of the galaxy. On one mission, he would meet Chewbacca, whom he would rescue from a slave ship. Commanded to kill Chewie by his superiors, he would refuse, and be court-martialed. The two of them would set out as criminals-for-hire, smuggling illegal drugs and working as bounty hunters for Jabba The Hutt, whose relationship with Solo could be established in this episode. He would meet and befriend Lando Calrissian, and win the Millenium Falcon from him in a card game. He would also race Dengar in this film, a race which is described in the Star Wars novel Tales of the Bounty Hunters, which I read long ago as a kid.

This episode would also feature a young Boba Fett. I know this goes against the canon (both the one before the prequels and the one after them!) but I see Boba Fett as one of Han Solo’s fellow TIE fighter pilots who is also kicked out of the Imperial Starfleet and subsequently becomes a bounty hunter. A rivalry between him and Solo would be established in this movie, and there would definitely have to be a fight between the two of them. I’m thinking they could both be pursuing the same bounty for Jabba the Hutt, and fight each other over it.

Finally, this episode would introduce the beginnings of the Rebellion. Wedge Antilles could be given some backstory, along with Admiral Ackbar and some of the other Rebellion figures.
Note that I am not attempting to write the individual story arcs of these episodes - the summaries I’ve given are just meant to be descriptions of the settings and basic storylines of the movies I’m imagining.

Whew. That was long. Now it’s your turn. If you could go back in time and somehow be in charge of the writing and production of the Star Wars prequels, how would you do it? Would you stick to the official canon, or would you invent your own back-story? Would you focus more on Anakin, or would you try to go deeper into the backgrounds of other characters as I have? If you actually liked the real prequels and think it couldn’t have been done any better, feel free to say that too.

The first thing I would have done would be to scrap Jar-Jar Binks. Episodes 4, 5 and 6 did not suffer from not having a dedicated “comic relief” go-to guy. Han makes wisecracks, Lando had a few, Leia tosses off some quips, the robots were occasionally funny, Yoda was cantankerous and funny on occasion, and even Darth Vader had a grim humor about him (“I find your lack of faith disturbing”).

The second thing I would have done is to make the first episode far, far less talky. Too much hard-to-follow chatter about… what, again? A blockade? A trade agreement? Some funny-talking dudes with heads like melted candles were talking about… trying to have some kind of weird… I dunno. It didn’t work for me. We need a grander sense of the Old Republic but one that isn’t bogged down in political and administrative details.

The third thing I would have done is eliminate the need to show us all of these grand new places: Coruscant, particularly. As cool as it looked, if we’re not going to obsess over the politics, then we don’t need to see the Senate or the Jedi Headquarters or the Chancellor’s office or the Opera House or any of that. And while we’re at it, I’m going to pretend like I still know what a Voice-Over cue is, and instead of cutting away to a hologram of Darth Somebody standing around giving orders, I’m going to allow just his voice to come in with no flashy accompanying CGI effect.

As for plot? Well, I’ll get back to you on that. :smiley:

I wouldn’t. Making prequels automatically limits you. For instance, if Obi-Wan Kenobi is fighting for his life, will he make it or not? The question is already answered, so the fight is a complete waste of screen time.

I would have concentrated on the third group of films. More potential, more possibilities, better stories.

To a certain extent, Threepio is the comic relief character in the last three episodes, but I agree JJB must never have existed.

Fish:

R2-D2 and C-3PO were dedicated comic rlief characters in episode 4 - they were pretty much a Laurel/Abbot-Hardy/Costello team. Less so in 5 (because they were separated for most of the movie), and the Ewoks served that function in 6 (much to the consternation of most Star Wars fans, who don’t like the Moon of Endor Fighting Teddy Bears - sports team, not band name).

I’d have cribbed the plot from KoTOR: Skywalker’s a compassionate, impulsive, charismatic and brilliant young fightin’ Jedi who off his own bat rallies a ragtag Republican volunteer army - against the wishes of the Jedi Council and the Senate, who are content to dither - against an all-conquering Mandalorian invasion fleet who ravaging the galaxy. A born military leader, he inspires his motley army and against all the odds he fights the invaders to a standstill and then breaks them in a climactic battle. The man’s a good guy - a hero.

Unfortunately, he overreaches himself in chasing the broken Mandalorians off his lawn and succumbs to hubris: on the far reaches of the galaxy, he stumbles across an ancient Sith, who begins to twist him by subtly playing on his strengths and weaknesses, convincing him that the Jedi Council are weak and the Senate are complacent; that by relying on himself, by acting more swiftly and ruthlessly, he could have shortened the war and saved more lives.

Perhaps he himself, with the aid of his new mentor, should sweep away the old order and assume control - it would be best for all. His journey to the Dark Side has begun…

I, like RealityChuck, would not have made prequels at all.

If they had to be prequels, though, I think a few tweaks would have made them a hell of a lot better.

Visually: More “real” special effects, less CGI. I understand that the originals were grittier because it was a galaxy under the rule of the corrupt empire, but the contrast between the slick, polished new trilogy, and the gritty OT is just too stark. I would’ve made the prequels somewhere between where they are now and the originals, grit-wise.

Plotwise: Pick one secondary villian [Dooku/Grievous/Maul] and spread him throughout the story. We never really got to hate any of the existing ones because they weren’t on screen enough. Get rid of midichlorians - tired complaint but justified. Get rid of Jar Jar - another tired but justified complaint. Start with Anakin as an adult - he was annoying as a kid and him aging 15 years while Amidala didn’t age a day wasn’t believable to me - would’ve probably confused me if I was a kid.

I think Lucas needed a young, hip, non-commercially or financially motivated script advisor. He didn’t seem to “get” any of the complaints about the NT.

First off, Anakin, should have benn an adult, or at least young adult, comperable in age to Padme. Make him the “already a great pilot when I met him” that Kenobi talks about. Create the friendship that Kenobi feels loss for.

 Make him a bit of a reckless scoundrel, similar to Han Solo. This would have not only given the audience someone to root for, but for Padme someone who the audience could understand why she falls in love with him.

 Obi-Wan trains him as a jedi, but ruled by his emotions, and spured on by the Emperor, he begins falling to the dark side.

Yes the fall is inevitable, we know he will become Darth Vader, but if Lucas had bothered to make the character even vaguely likable, and created and real chemestry between Padme and Anakin, then somewhere in the back of the viewer's heart would have been the hope that perhaps it might be different. That this hero couldn't be the one who falls. Thus more a a tragedy, and a much better story when he does.

I don’t think anything was wrong with the stories as such. For me the problem was that the characters were uninteresting, or, at least, the actors were less successful at pulling them off than the ones who had played the main characters in the original trilogy. Luke, Han, Leia, and even Chewbacca all seemed to be individuals and there was often humor in their interactions without it being forced.

Whereas in the prequels, we seemed to get just cardboard cutouts for the most part:

Anakin: resentful former slave struggling to contain his growing skill with The Force
Jar-Jar: silly looking alien

And so on.

As some others have noted, I would not have done prequels. I don’t think there was such a huge outcry for backstory as to make prequels necessary. What I WOULD have done, were I Lucas, is jump to the immediate-to-mid-future, after Jedi, and filmed the Heir to the Empire trilogy. I would KILL to see the Thrawn movies…

I don’t have stories, but I do have some principles.

I agree that Anakin should start as an adult. Obi-Wan told Luke that this problem was that he started training too late. Anakin started at 8 or something, and with the somewhat reluctant blessing of Yoda. Obi-Wan training him on his own (perhaps because the Jedi council refuses to let him be trained) would make more sense.

No damn robot army. Lucas seems to not want the good guys to kill real people, so he used robots and retconned clones as Storm Troopers. This is Han not shooting first writ large.

The clone wars should have the clones as the bad guys, not the good guys. Why ever would anyone call what we saw in Eps II and III the Clone War anyway?

Make a decision as to the decadence of the Republic and the Jedi. Ep. IV has Obi-Wan talking as if they were wonderful, but what we see in the prequels were a bunch of boobs, falling all over themselves to not see what Palpatine was doing. I think a decadent Republic that needed cleaning out is a good approach, but Lucas was half-assed about this.

Leia’s foster father needs a bigger role. The end of Ep. III in general ties up loose ends in a totally unbelievable way. Think about this before reaching the end of the script.

Though I like the idea of back stories for Han, etc., they were peripheral to the main events until Ep. IV. If Lucas needs cash he can do a movie with their story, out of the main SW sequence. But Han, who didn’t really believe in the Force, could hardly have held an important position. I suppose his lack of knowledge could be explained by the total absence of newspapers or any information media in this universe. I’d love to see a guy with a porkpie hat and a Press badge stick a microphone in front of Padme’s face after a Senate meeting. :slight_smile:

Argent Towers, I think you hit on the first and most grevious mistake Lucas made in the prequels: making Aanakin 9 years old in The Phantom Menace. That took away the possibility of a romantic triangle, which gave A New Hope some of its pizzaz, and removed an important parallel between Luke and Aanakin’s arcs. the other thing is that the entire Star Wars saga is supposed to be told from the point of view of R2D2 and C3PO.

Episode I: The Journal of the Whills link
We open above the planet Corralia with a starship bearing the 19-year-old Princess Amadala being pursued by a heavily armed ship of unknown origin. The ship is boarded, but Obi Wan arranges an escape for Amadala, which incidentally involves bringing along her protocol droid C3PO and a mech droid named R2D2. This is C3PO and R2’s first meeting, and they begin bickering immediately. On the run from the villian, who is revealed to be Darth Tyrannus (played, of course, by Christopher Lee), Obi Wan, Amadala and the droids flee to a rural backwater of Corralia where they meet a cocky 19-year-old peasant podracer named Aanakin Skywalker. Obi Wan witnesses Aanakin perform a number of feats of limited telekenisis and precognition that he recognizes as signs of incredible, yet untrained strength in the Force. Obi Wan, who can barely conceal his courtly affection for Amadala (in my version, Jedis don’t have that pesky “no sex” rule), also notices the sparks between the young Princess and the podracer, who helps them escape from their persuers in a spectacular speeder chase over the Corralian countryside. Jealousy stirs, but that is put aside when Amadala is captured and the two unlikely friends have to band together to rescue her in a daring battle in the asteroid-based Corralian shipyards involving some amazing flying by Aanakin and a saber duel between Obi Wan and Tryannus where the day is saved by the last-minute intervention of a Jedi expeditionary force led by Mace Windu. Back on Coursant, Obi Wan reports to a stunned Jedi council that he suspects the mysterious enemy who tried to kidnap Amadala is a Sith. He also says that Aanakin is an exteremly powerful force user who should be trained as a Jedi in order to keep him from falling to the Dark Side. Yoda relucantly agrees to the training (“No. He is too old.”), and Obi Wan and Aanakin are rewarded for their bravery by the royal house of Naboo, represented by the chancellor of the senate, Palpatine.

I’d have gone further back for the prequels. Like, ten thousand years back. Make it about the founding of the Jedi order, the original splintering of the Council into Jedi and Sith factions, and the first Sith-Jedi war.

jayjay hit it square on the head. Get Timothy Zahn to adapt his novels into a trilogy screenplay, get Carrie Fisher to act as script doctor, and hire armed security people to be on every set and in every editing room, with orders to shoot to kill if they ever lay eyes on Lucas.

I actually really love the politics in the prequels. I just wish it had been more in the background.

My biggest change would have been making Dooku (never refered to as a Darth) thirty years younger (Lee is great but an 80 year old man isn’t threatening even if he can lift shit with his mind) and had the 3rd movie been about the two of them obsessed with defeating each other. Anakin slides to the dark side because of it and gains the attention of the Emperor. I would have had the climax be Anakin vs. Dooku at the lava pit. They both end up burned and The Emperor saves one of them and Palpatine gives him the armor and the name of Vader. You don’t know who he saved though.

And you don’t know until Vader reveals that he is Luke’s father in TESB.

It would make Vader’s secondary role in A New Hope make a bit more sense if it is ambigous who he is. You might think it’s Dooku. And then his obsession with Luke Skywalker could be a possibly extension of his obsession with defeating Anakin. Then the reveal at the end would actually be a surprise if you watched them all in order.

I actually think that there’s not enough aesthetic distance between the two trilogies; the reason that the prequels fail on a visual and aesthetic level is that they basically just look like “jazzed-up” versions of the original locations from IV-VI; you’ve got the forest planet, the rocky planet, the jungle planet, the desert planet, the only-habitable-by-technology planet, and so on, but this time with CG spooged all over the place.

I think that what I would have done is make a MAJOR aesthetic gap between the two trilogies; if VI-VI is supposed to be the long decay of a once-great civilization, then I-III should have been incredibly slick and techy, borderline-unrecognizable compared to the first three (IV-VI). The big Coruscant city should have been downright shabby and backwater compared to the pure height of technological and social prosperity showcased.

Wow, Push You Down’s Anakin or Dooku Vader idea would’ve been pretty good. Part of what the prequels lacked to me, were some elements like that which would add some new perspective to the original trilogy.

There’s a lot I would’ve changed but specifically in relation to Dooku, he should’ve been introduced as a member of the Jedi council in Episode 1. As it is, the very first time we see him, is in Episode 2 when Obi Wan is captured on Geonosis and Dooku is revealed to be a traitor to the Jedi. I want George Lucas to explain to me how a viewer can feel betrayed by a character that they literally JUST MET?

It was at that point that I realized that GL was making these movies up one at a time as he went instead of having a well thought out master plan for all three. I can’t think of any other reason not to introduce Dooku in Episode 1.

Were Episode 1 and Fellowship of the Ring in production at the same time? If they were, Lee probably didn’t have a clear schedule to be able to make Ep. 1, as he was signed to Jackson and tied up in New Zealand.

cut out most of movie 1 altogether. No revolting kid, no stupid JarJar.

Compress movie 2 & 3 into one and a half movies. That way Anakin becomes Darth Vader half way through the trilogy.

The third movie should tell of how the rebel Alliance was formed.

. . . And change Dooku’s name. Sounds too much like Dookchute.