Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Seen It (Assume Spoilers Within)

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[li]Anyone else think it is well past time for the Jedi to review their training program? Let’s see. Qui-Gon trains up a guy and we get Drath Maul. Obi-Wan trains up Anakin and we get Darth Vader. Luke trains up his nephew and we get Ren. Sure, some trainees are going to be washouts, but Jedi failures go on to wreak havoc.[/li][li]Rey just has to be Luke’s daughter. But, who is the baby-momma?[/li][li]Finn’s being assigned to sanitation was a good plot point. Even better would have been to be assigned to communications or maintenance. In college, I had a friend who worked for the school’s phone services. He said he had access to anywhere and anything. He could walk into an office and say he was there to work on the phones and people would ignore him and continue with confidential meetings as if he weren’t even there. Maybe Imperial Stormpoopers are similarly invisible.[/li][/ol]

Indeed. I think none of this will turn out to be coincidence.

That’s because despite social progress, this type of mixed marriage is still not acceptable. :frowning:

Meanwhile, I think there can never be another Star Wars film as good as the original. The freshness factor is gone. Now we judge one of the films by meeting our preconceived expectations, but those expectations were set by the first one in 1977. That one I watched 19 times in the cinema when it came out. The others? Once each.

for me, this is entirely believable. where I work, our buildings have numerous areas which are secure and access is granted on a “need to know” basis. as far as I can tell, the building trades and housekeeping have universal access.

no, not really. if you accept the concept of something like The Force, and that there are people who have learned of it and how to control it, you just know there are going to be one or two assholes here and there. And this is one thing I think The Force Awakens did way better than any of the prequels. When Kylo Ren gets pissed off, he goes fucking apeshit and smashes shit in a blind rage. If the Force is to have a light side and a dark side, you’re going to get people who are going to go the “wrong” way.

Qui-Gon didn’t train Darth Maul.

But Yoda did train Count Dooku.

And that would have made their subsequent “besties” relationship make more sense too.

Aha. I found someone else mention Ian Whyte and traced it back to that article, but you seem to be right. Maybe he played a different creature in Maz Kanata’s castle.

Nah, friends or no friends, come gunning for me and I’m gonna blast you out of the sky.

Perhaps the gigantic thing that was canoodling with the First Order spy in the castle.

(The big orange guy spanning the couch in this photo…looks about the right size for someone who played the Mountain.)

Probably not. We only ever see that character sitting, so they don’t need a big guy to wear it, just someone to hide behind the couch and work the mouth and eyes. Hell, the couch is probably part of the costume.

I liked much of it, thought it was a good movie overall, but it recycles yet another father-son drama involving the primary bad guy. :dubious: The Dark Side really needs to learn that’s it’s not wise to recruit your leader from the Light Side. Don’t underestimate family ties, but I guess the Star War series is a space soap opera like Days of Our Lives meets the Jetsons.

Although this recruitment process does play into the whole Dark vs. Light dynamic of changing alliance. However, I think it would add some excitement to the plot to have a reliable Light Side stalwart go Dark Side in the middle of the action, something like cute, adorable Yoda wielding a light saber against Luke. I know Annakin changed to the Dark Side but the process was slow and telegraphed all the way.

I agree with you, the character for some reason just hit a sour note with me. He was one of the characters that I was referencing with room for development. LOTS of development.

Forgive me if this was discussed and I missed it.

Kylo Ren appears to be communing with his grandfather (Vader) via his helmet, but we viewers know that Vader/Anakin turned back to the light. So who is he actually communing with? Not Vader. Snoke? Some other baddie?

Also-when Kylo Ren is mucking around in Rey’s brain he says something like “you see the sea…an island…I see it too” Does that refer to the place Luke is? How does that work?

( thanks :slight_smile: )

I just interpreted that as Kylo being a crazy guy who dug up his grandfather’s grave so he could talk to his helmet.

Well, hopefully just the helmet and not the whole head. There’s no particular reason that the conversation has to be two ways, although it would be interesting if we have Anakin’s force ghost counseling him against the Dark Side, and this is the actual temptation towards the Light he keeps angsting about, thinking that he’s just not getting a clear signal because of the temptation rather than the actual signal being the message to avoid the Dark side.

The bit about the island suggests that either Rey has seen it before and doesn’t know it, or that she’s somehow able to sense Luke’s location through the Force and this is what Kylo is hitching his wagon onto when he is interrogating her.

Of course, that negates the entire map subplot, which was clumsily done anyways.

To me JJ Abrams is only as good as Cloverfield, which is a Godzilla rip off he produced. Everything he has done that I have seen just mirrors something that has worked in the past. He is a movie history teacher recycling and repackaging (white girl and black guy leads for star wars to extend its reach beyond pasty white guys) everything he touches. I was afraid he would do what he always does to Star Wars but figured someone had enough sense to make him do something original and somehow he was able to recycle 4,5, and 6 into a new movie that mirrors all 3. Im appalled. JJ should be teaching movie history at USC and deserves nothing more. Start acknowledging and admitting what he is, a total hack who had a friend whose dad was a producer and after he failed with original ideas he became a copy cat and sadly its worked for 2 decades.

Well I suppose there’s always Michael Bay as an alternative.

One thing I didn’t get was the fact that the events and characters of the original are portrayed as so legendary and foreign to the new characters, in that they don’t know if they were real. It’s just a generation. That would be like young people today thinking of Vietnam like we think of Vikings and King Arthur

By the way, I saw this on one of Wired’s top 10 screens and it was AWESOME

Heck, we left Vietnam more years ago; this would’ve been like talking about, I dunno, “back when Tom Cruise was a movie star.”

It would be like hearing about the fall of the Soviet Union, which happened ten years before you were born, hearing some vague names, and the concept that it involved magic and a single sword-wielding warrior.

Isn’t he just a myth?

Not me. Ben Solo falling to the dark side has violated my suspension of disbelief - I do not view the problem on the level of “Wow, Han, Luke and Leia sure suck at raising their son/nephew, don’t they?” but rather “J.J. Abrams really has no respect for these characters, does he?”

And yes, I know the EU did it first. But Legacy of the Force was shit.