That wizard is just a crazy old man.
But journey with me now to the long-ago world of 1983: when Hillary Clinton was the First Lady, and magazines were all abuzz about Donald Trump and his Trump Tower, and Ben Kingsley and Meryl Streep had just won the Oscars for Best Actor and Best Actress, and Pat Sajak and Vanna White were busily hosting Wheel Of Fortune; yea, verily, there were giants in the earth in those days, and McDonald’s did unveil the McNugget.
In the scene where Rey has been captured by Kylo Ren and he is attempting to read her mind, he takes off his helmet and places it… on a bed of ashes? Perhaps the ashes of Darth Vader?
Yet you can look past the Force, light sabers, and ships moving in physically impossible ways? Might as well just state “Worst. Movie. Ever.” And be done with it.
People are acting like J.J. Abrams had sole creative control over this movie. He’s credited as a writer, but there are several. Also, does Disney give sole creative control to anyone? I rather expect they dictated many required story elements in order to ensure butts in seats.
The only person I recall acting like that is Rey, who grew up isolated on a backwater planet. I learned about Vietnam in school; I doubt she went to school. She probably just hears things in stories from other scavengers. I don’t think in general we can apply the same sort of assumptions we do for Earth to a galaxy-spanning civilization.
Those things are consistent to the Star Wars universe. He’s saying that the treatment of the principle characters from the original trilogy is not.
I don’t have an opinion on whether he’s right or not but your retort is off the mark. Throwing a fantasy element into a story doesn’t make every other facet immune to criticism.
I recall Fin reacting the same way…which is even more surprising
As to the familial pattern, I think it makes sense. It is rare for the force to be so strong, so it is reasonable that there is a familial connection between those who are very powerful
Plus, even the prequels capped the Jedi population at a few thousand. With the five Force users of the Rebellion era (in a galaxy of trillions of people), it’s easy to assume that stories got embellished.
It would be like talking about Vietnam and then revealing that the whole thing was actually solved by Superman.
why? If he was meant to be a Stormtrooper from the very beginning, why would the Empire/First Order tell him anything about them?
I think there are enough examples of whitewashing of history on earth to make this a non-issue.
Loved it. It was the best possible outcome for a new Star Wars movie.
Some of you guys see lazy callbacks, but I see loving homage. This movie successfully bridged the 32-year gap between the original trilogy and now, all while neatly sidestepping the prequels.
When Han Solo took those steps across the catwalk, I cringed. When the X-Wings began their trench run, I cheered. And when Rey offered the lightsaber to Luke, I very nearly lost my shit. I disagree that the lack of dialogue was disappointing. That scene was glorious.
I was born in '83, so I’m in this weird generation of kids for whom the original trilogy was just a monolithic “thing” that had always existed. I don’t remember learning Darth Vader’s identity any more than I remember learning about death. Both are just facts woven into the heartbeat of the universe. By the time the prequels came out, I was old enough to appreciate how little they deserved to be appreciated.
For me, this movie was my first true, unspoiled, cinematic *Star Wars *experience. I don’t think I’ve ever, in my entire life, had so much fun in a movie theater.
Watched the original film yesterday (on VHS no less!) My son brought them home while visiting, so we’ll be watching them all over the next few days.
I acknowledge it is not entirely fair to compare an initial offering with a subsequent episode, as it is difficult to be “original” more than once. OTOH, a subsequent version has some advantages going for it.
I don’t want to get into a detailed comparison, but I did feel that the original was better at story telling than this most recent one. Maybe i was attentive for it because I was disappointed in this recent one, but the exposition seemed to be clearer, and presented in the course of the story. Through several scenes we got the idea of why the death star was targeting Alderan, that the emperor had dissolved the senate, and some technical details such as the light saber as an elegant weapon and complexities of hyperdrive. I was also impressed at the relatively slow pace. Adding to the humanity, I thought there was more emotion involved when the fighter pilots died. And more of them had some personalities. In the new one, they seemed fungible and expendable.
I was also surprised at how much i did not remember, and how much I had conflated versions of the first 3 films. For example, I had misremembered Obi-Wan dying on the catwalk, as Han did.
Sure, there were gaps. I forced my son to try to explain why - if they were able to hyper the death star all the way to the rebel base, why they didn’t keep their foot on the gass just long enough more to end up on the same side as the moon they wanted to destroy… :rolleyes: And special effects have certainly improved.
Maybe I’m being grumpy and contrarian re: the new film and all the marketing, and I’m not going to rewatch the new one to check my opinions. But I’m comfortable saying that the original move was better at telling a story about believable characters set in an understandable setting. Just my opinion, of course.
Finn was raised from birth to be an unquestioning killing machine on behalf of a fascist regime. His history lessons probably have as much to do with the true history of the galaxy as those they teach in North Korea.
I think you mean Best Korea.
I think you’re misremembering. Finn recognizes the name Han Solo as belonging to a great general. Rey only knows him as a smuggler, and she’s the one who questions the existance of the Force. Finn’s already seen what Kylo can do to a blaster bolt. He’s not skeptical about the Force at all.
As for that being realistic, go find some twenty-something who grew up in rural Saudi Arabia and ask them about the principal causes and events of the first Gulf War. You’re going to get some huge gaps in knowledge, and a bunch of rumors and urban legends.
Hell, ask an American twenty-something that question, and you probably won’t get much better results.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that this was as good as the original movie.
Sooo … that fat x-wing pilot.
Son of Porkins, right?
Now that’s just crazy talk. It was Thor.
Voice, yes, but the MoCap was Canadian actress, Arti Shaw. I read some where she is four-foot tall, but IMDb does not confirm that.
You’re both wrong. Everybody knows it was Dr. Manhattan.
[QUOTE=Emo Kylo Ren]
places Darth Vader’s burned-out helmet on piano
painstakingly picks out the piano part to ‘my immortal’ with one finger
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[QUOTE=Emo Kylo Ren]
hands Rey a crossword
don’t worry if it takes a while
Wednesday puzzles can be a bit challengi–
Rey hands back the completed puzzle
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[QUOTE=Emo Kylo Ren]
you can’t truly appreciate the imperial march until you hear it on vinyl
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