100% agree with all of this.
yes, and this is the gatekeeping I bristle at. Fans don’t get to dictate how the story goes (there’s a reason “fanservice” is a derogatory term.) The sequel trilogy fits in neatly with the story Lucas told with the prequels. The Jedi Order didn’t need to be re-established because the Jedi Order played a big role in fucking everything up.
Take a step back and look at it- the Jedi were a bunch of aloof supremacists who anointed themselves gatekeepers of the Force, and built a system which separated children from their families and every so often would produce a literal Hitler. Luke seeing Ben Solo follow that path was what finally made him realize that the Force doesn’t “belong” to anyone and the Jedi Order needed to end.
I mean, in many ways the Jedi were the ultimate incels.
That wasn’t “gatekeeping.” “Gatekeeping” would be me saying, “You like the sequel trilogy? You’re not a real Star Wars fan!” I don’t have any problem with other people liking the sequel trilogy. I didn’t, and what I just wrote is a big part of why.
If only they had actually tried to explore that, consistently, following an arc through the three films culminating in that lesson that the force doesn’t “belong” to anyone, or that true balance does indeed demand a willingness to accept and embrace the full range of human emotion, then the new trilogy might have been good. But they didn’t. They threw a couple pieces in there with a bunch of random crap about child slavery not being as bad as animal cruelty and capitalism in Episode VIII, but beyond that they left it to the viewer to build their own head canon based off fragments. Disjointed fragments that it turns out aren’t even pieces to the same puzzle.
You need to read the EU. Seriously. (Unless I’m being whooshed).
I have read some of the EU(and enjoyed it), but the only thing that really counts is the movies. Everything else is fanfic.
Maybe the EU is fun, but if you NEED to read it to make sense of the movies, the movies suck.
More rumors:
What nonsense.
Not only would that never happen just for practical reasons, there have been multiple subtle references to the sequels, and the progression towards it, in The Mandalorian, mostly about clones, implying a connection to Snoke and Palpatine’s plan to return.
I can believe they will not have many stories told set during the later era (the Rogue Squadron movie may be set post-sequels), instead sticking mostly to the earlier gappy areas, but the sequels will never be retconned.
I’m only one season into The Mandalorian, but from what I’ve seen so far, the story works equally well if 7-8-9 are or are not canon, and it’s not even clear precisely when they take place (probably before, because there are still fairly young veterans of the Rebel Alliance running around, and the ex-Imperials are never referred to as “First Order”, but it hardly matters).
That’s probably mostly the approach they’re going to take: Not retconning the movies away completely, but just setting stories in times and places where they can ignore the movies.
Based on the stuff that happens in Season 2, my impression is that The Mandalorian takes place somewhere around 5 to 10 years after RotJ. At most, Ben Solo is an infant, and it’s more likely that he hasn’t been born yet. At least that’s my guess.
Ignoring 7, 8, and 9 going forward could very well be the best way to handle things. Limiting future stories to the time periods before Kylo Ren or 50+ years after Rise of Skywalker. seems like a good idea to me.
No more of the sequel characters, and no more Palpatine post being thrown down the reactor shaft. Is that too much to ask for?
I concur with your first statement. As for your second, I think 8 and 9 did pretty good considering the steaming pile that 7 left them with like Snoke, MaryJane that can do everything with the force without training, Kylo Douche, etc.
I’m not sure you can say that 8 and 9 both did pretty good, when 9 completely threw out 8.
Indeed. I wasn’t a fan of 8, but once it was done, 9 should have leaned into it rather than pretending most of it didn’t exist.
I’m willing to give IX a pass because Leia was to be the major focus and they had to work around Carrie Fisher’s death.
And VIII did give us the most badass scene in all of Star Wars.
Though by that standard, Ep I gave us the most badass lightsaber duel in all of Star Wars 
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Why yes, yes it did. It should have been a short 
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Frankly, so should that Ep 8 scene 
IMHO the biggest problem with 8 and 9 were that they didn’t feel like Star Wars. The prequels, as bad as they were compared to the original trilogy, still felt like Star Wars. 7 did as well, but if Disney won’t get rid of 7, 8, and 9 as a unit, it’s evens less likely that they’ll keep 7 while getting rid of 8 and 9. Luckily we then got The Mandalorian, which has the feel of Star Wars as well as being good.
And the most badass scene in Star Wars is the end of the last episode of season 2 of The Mandalorian. I don’t care that they used CGI. That was the scene I’d been waiting for ever since I first finished watching RotJ as a kid.
What a great example of why “movies aren’t news.”
The existence of a movie isn’t news, someone not liking a movie isn’t news, and someone like Doomcock who is literally a single Internet troll making up nonsense that has never panned out as true sharing his opinion about a movie really isn’t news. The fact that the current algorithms allow this sort of “story” to get wide prominence is an indictment of them.