The brother will somehow end up involved with the team, that sounds as likely as any other possibility.
I’m not sure that bratty little brother would be caught dead with anything pink.
That’s the bratty younger brother with a pal named Jakeem, right?
I saw what you did.
Of the JSA members used on the show, all of them except for The Flash and Wildcat got powers from a piece of equipment or a magical artifact. Since the show looks like it is going to focus on brand new inexperienced heroes, having them all get powers from gadgets or artifacts passed out by Courtney makes sense as it keeps things simple.
The original Wildcat, Ted Grant, was just a really good fighter back in the day. At some point (never shown in the comics) he gained the blessing of nine lives, which was used to explain how he could still be running around punching people’s faces in 50+ years after he put on the suit.
However, Yolanda Montez was second Wildcat in the comics, and she had actual powers like the ones displayed in the episode (agility, claws, climbing),but her powers were innate because she was secretly injected in utero with mutagenic chemicals by a mad scientist who was hoping to kidnap her at birth and raise her with his “family” that eventually became a super-villain team. Having TV Yolanda get her powers from the suit is a lot simpler!
Rick Tyler was the heir to the Hourman legacy in the comics. Given that both Rex and Rick Tyler went through numerous stories about dealing with the addictive properties of Miraclo, I can see why this family-friendly superhero show doesn’t want to portray a hero who gets their powers from popping pills, even if the hourglass seems clunky.
Of course, Rick, Yolanda, and Beth all made their comics debuts in Infinity Inc., the 80s team book about the young-adult heirs and proteges of the original JSA striking out on their own. Sylvester Pemberton was the founder/leader, and he started calling himself Skyman. Yolanda and Beth have long been dead in the comics, as they were killed off in one of the big DC event crossovers of the 90s years before the JSA title was launched in the late 90s. As far as I know, Rick Tyler is still Hourman in the current JSA.
Infinity inc. is also where the second generation of the ISA started making their debuts: Cameron Makhent, Artemis Crock, and Henry King, Jr. for starters.
Fun fact: Sylvester Pemberton had an adopted sister named Merry. She discovered that her brother was the Star-Spangled Kid and made a costumed identity for herself as Merry, the Girl of 1000 Gimmicks so she could tag along with her brother. After never appearing again after her adventures in the 40s, it was revealed that a) she had passed away and b) she was the mother of Henry King, Jr. If Courtney is right about being Starman’s daughter, this would make them cousins!
His friend Jakeem, who should be coming over to dinner shortly, is likely Jakeem Thunder, who inherited the Thunderbolt from Johnny Thunder.
I’m disappointed that we didn’t get any new JL members this week. When they first showed Runny McFootballgirl, I thought they were setting up the new Flash. (She still could be later, I suppose–a major disappointment to her parents.)
It’s not the Justice League, it’s the Justice Society.
I don’t think we’re getting any more new members soon, since Pat took back the accouterments. Except for the pink pen. We’ll probably see Johnny Thunder in a few episodes.
Fantastic episode this week. The big fight between the new JSA and Sportsmaster+Tigress was especially well done. Also some good character moments between Courtney and Pat, when Pat was subtly impressing on Courtney how annoying it was to talk to someone who wasn’t listening to you.
That’s Artemis Crock, aka the archer hero/villain Artemis. They’re setting up Artemis. As I wrote above, I’m guessing they’re going to introduce her costumed identity as a enemy/rival for the JSA, Jr., then have her follow a character arc to redemption and joining the JSA, Jr.
Agree with all of that.
I didn’t watch much of Arrow - were their fight scenes done that well? Because this scene seemed in a whole other league from what I’ve seen on Flash, Legends of Tommorow, or Supergirl.
One character bit that I really liked but was also a bit disappointed by was the dead security guard. It was a really good character moment when their fun super-Goonies adventure was interrupted by finding a victim of brutal violence. But then the characters and the show itself just completely forgot about him. I really would have liked the show to have explored that a bit more. I did appreciate when Pat mentioned dead magician kid, and that seemed to visibly shake Courtney. At least they’re showing some lasting effects of trauma, instead of always forgetting peoples’ deaths by the next episode.
Stargirl is a DC Universe show that the CW gets in (very quick) reruns, so you can’t really compare the quality. (I personally find the CW shows–like most CW shows–unwatchable.)
My understanding is that it’s a co-production, sharing show runner(s) with the CW Arrowverse shows, which airs on DC Universe first. But if anything, DC Universe shows have even lower budgets and production values than CW shows.
Doom Patrol has done amazing things with its budget, but I don’t remember them even trying that kind of fight scene. I slogged through two seasons of Titans, and its production values were usually threadbare even compared to low-end CW shows. And Swamp Thing…I could barely make it through the first episode.
I enjoy Flash and Legends of Tomorrow, and loved the first season or so of Supergirl (before it got bogged down in relationship drama). But, the effects are often distractingly terrible and even the practical effects and stuntwork are often uninspiring.
Stargirl, so far, seems leaps and bounds above either the CW Arrowverse shows or the other DC Universe live-action shows.
Arrow’s fights were rather inconsistent throughout the seasons. Many have been rather pedestrian. Sometimes they’re great. The fights took a noticeable rise in quality when stunt coordinator James Bamford was promoted to producer. He also directed a few episodes and the fights there were fantastic. After Arrow ended, the stunt team moved over to Batwoman, to the benefit of the latter show. Bamford also directed an episode of Batwoman and the fight scenes therein was also fantastic.
Of course, both Arrow and Batwoman rely less on VFX and more on stunt work. I don’t recall seeing anything approaching the quality of the Stargirl fight at any time in the Arrowverse. It ws really a step above.
Will Stargirl get together with Starfire? Fellow DCer
Yeah. Very good episode. I appreciated them having Sportsmaster use his traditional weapons and still be a menacing opponent. It would have been really easy to show him as a harmless goofball - but somehow, he’s both dangerous (and a bit of a goofball, still).
Interesting to see the dynamics of the Injustice Society already. Definitely not a united group.
I think Pat implied tonight that a sufficiently competent chemist could make Hourman permanently strong…
I think it was more than sufficiently competent. But I do think he emphasized that the “hour” was a choice.
I’m really glad that they lost/were losing. And that they were losing due to lack of training, lack of planning, and lack of skill (there were failures on many fronts). But it was a fun fight scene. I was kind of hoping that the goggles might tell them to take a look at the server room, but it’s much more appropriate that they didn’t.
I did love the “be good while we’re out destroying the world” speech.
Ok, so the janitor is Shining Knight.
I was wrong about Mean Girl becoming Queen Bee. But who is she supposed to be? My Comic Book Geek Fu is failing me. Lady Shiva maybe?
Mean Girl’s name is Cindy Burman and the title of the episode is “Shiv, Part One”, which should give you enough clues as to her identity.
Cindy Burman is Shiv. She’s one of the several elements taken from Courtney’s debut series Stars & STRIPE for the show. She was basically created to be Courtney’s nemesis.
Well, ok then. I guess I’m not as much of a comic book geek as I thought - I don’t think I’ve ever heard of Shiv before. Which is funny - she seems to be the most on-point version of any character that’s appeared so far, but she’s the only one so far I haven’t recognized.