He was great. Another benefit, of course, is that if any of the jurors were under the impression that Zimmerman was “white”, seeing both the mother and the uncle has I am sure disabused them of that notion.
I can’t tell - you do recognize, don’t you, that if you argue solely on brain anatomy and development, it is more likely that Martin attacked Zimmerman rather than vice versa. Do you see why this is so?
You sound a lot like most or all of the prosecution witnesses - the more you talk, the better the defense case becomes.
Regards,
Shodan
It means her move to Charge was politically motivated.
Probably so, but I meant did it have any effect on how easy or otherwise it was to get Zimmerman charged.
FWIW, I would think the prosecutor wanted this to be resolved with a plea bargain of manslaughter or reckless homicide or something, and the second-degree charge was to push Zimmerman into pleading out. Then when he refused, they were hoping something big would surface that they could use to convict him, or, more likely, push him into a plea. But no matter how hard they dug, nothing came up.
I also suspect the reason the prosecution was so dilatory in turning over evidence to the defense was to keep the pressure up as much as possible. Because the anti-climax/train wreck that has been the prosecution’s case is all they have, and all they ever had. Zimmerman refused to plead to anything even on the eve of the trial, and the prosecution had no choice but to go ahead and hope for a miracle.
They seem to have been disappointed.
Regards,
Shodan
I thought he was an outstanding liar. I could go into all the reasons that his lying was clearly lying, but there’s only one that counts: The lie itself. The story he told was perfectly crafted for the purpose of sounding like the most believable voice recognition: “gee, he wasn’t biased to believe it was George because he didn’t even know what he was listening to!” And I might have had a moments hesitation in arriving at the idea that he was lying, except for the fact That we were told in advance with this man’s experience wise, which included spending hours and hours day after day in court rooms listening to people testify. He knows what makes a good lie and what doesn’t. And I give him credit for coming up with a great story to make him seem like his recognition of his nephew’s voice is valid.
But aside from the too perfect nature of the story, the too perfect presentation of the man himself, and his life experience, It has to be a lie because it is inherently unbelievable. First, because the screaming voice is very hard to hear to begin with, Secondly to believe that George’s uncle has such a finely tuned here that he can instantly recognize the sound of his nephew screaming for his life is just a huge steaming pile of crap. Even the parents of both Zimmerman and Martin have struggled to honestly say that they recognize either man as being the screamer, which makes sense: the screams are inhuman in their intensity, sounds way outside the norm for anybody. Unless the uncle has some sort of established super ability to discern sounds of various kinds, there’s no reason in the world to believe his story. It’s garbage.
http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/wp-content/gallery/aerial-photos-released-7-12-2012/dsc0068.jpg
This the photo that Omara put into evidence. It’s Palm Place in Sanford, about 7 miles from where Trayvon was staying. Apparently the significance of this is that Trayvon’s ping logs show him about 7 miles away, which would indicate he was traveling in a motor vehicle, and not on foot. (Omara stated earlier that Trayvon was out of cell tower range)Next week should be interesting, if this is accurate.
Your argument is that it’s a lie because it’s too convincing?
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You think it’s a lie because you want it to be a lie, nothing more.
How do you arrive at “too convincing” from “inherently unbelievable”?
It was designed to be convincing and it was told in a convincing manner. But it is fundamentally ludicrous. Kinda like if he got on the stand and told a beautifully rendered story about meeting a leprechaun with a pot of gold. Great story, well told, but fundamentally unbelievable.
Why does that matter? Are we supposed to think that persons of color don’t do any racial profiling? (For the record, I don’t really have that much of an issue with race being factored in to some degree, so we dont’ need to have THAT discussion) Or that hispanics and blacks don’t have any racism between themselves? If Zimmerman was himself black, that might mean something in terms of brushing off ideas about profiling. (except that blacks profile blacks too, so there’s that…it’s a bitch being human.)
I got it from “too perfect”.
There’s nothing fundamentally impossible about someone who’s job involves dealing with investigating details of people in unusual, stressful situations being more likely to recognise a particular detail in an unusual, stressful situation. But, maybe he’s wrong, and he didn’t recognise the voice - why do you immediately jump to “liar” rather than “mistaken” or “overconfident in his abilities”? Actually, I know why. It’s because that fits the narrative you’ve constructed, based on your prejudice, that Zimmerman is a liar and a murderer, and anyone who supports him in any way is a liar and wants to see black children killed. Rather than, say, actually caring about the truth, rather than your fantasies.
Sybrina Fulton never “struggled”, at least according to her testimony. Does that mean she lied?
No, no, she agrees with Stoid, and so is a shining beacon of truthiness. That is the standard, isn’t it?
I thought we’d already discussed Trayvon Martin’s propensity for jumping to conclusions about a “creepy-ass cracker”.
I haven’t watched anything but the things I’ve commented about, so I don’t know who Sybrina Fulton is and I can’t comment on her testimony that I haven’t seen.
Projecting again I see.
Exactly. Although I don’t think that’s so much profiling as using an insulting term for a white person while describing his assessment of Zimmerman as creepy personally. But either way <shrug>. Like I said, I’m not that het up about any racial angle, I don’t think Zimmerman is some racist asshole, at least no more so than the vast majority of Americans. I think he’s just an asshole, subtype pathetic.
Do you think it’s really cricket to isolate sentences to respond to that clearly have a meaning other than the meaning I’ve stated for the whole? tsk.
Okay. But picking out of that recording in the background while he’s doing something else and has no idea what he’s listening to. Bullshit. Massive, steaming bullshit.
I don’t see how mistaken would be possible within the context of the story. In order for him to be “mistaken” vs. deliberately lying, he would have had to have heard someone else on some other audio in the background and identified it as his nephew. But his story was that he was otherwise occupied, wasn’t watching, had no idea what was on TV and George’s screams, so powerfully and instantly identifiable as his nephew, penetrated his consciousness to draw him to the TV to ask his wife what she was watching. Where is “mistake” possible in that fantastical tale?
Lying. To help save his sister’s son. Which in its own way is a nice thing. But still lying.
I don’t get it. Can you explain with more detail?
I’m with you on this one, Stoid. I found that the photo is, in fact, part of what was released to the media by the defense a year ago, but this is the first I’ve heard about what it pertains to, or TM’s cell log pings (though the data was given to the defense in discovery–unreadable, at first.)
Vis-a-vis the families on the screaming voice, can we just call it a draw? Both sets of witnesses have a vested interest in the screamer being their relative, so to me all of their testimony is a wash.
This. I could care less if a video shows up convicting Zimmerman of trying to pistol whip Martin while calling him everything in the book. The same thing for Martin.
Sybrina Fulton is Trayon Martin’s mother.
Ah. As i said, i didn’t see her testimony so I can’t comment about it.
I’m very disappointed with CNN. The bias against Zimmerman is obvious even after hearing the prosecution’s case.
How can Zimmerman ever return to a private life with the National news fanning the flames against him?
This is just one quote. The entire article is like this. Even after seeing how weak the prosecutor’s case. It’s like the trial doesn’t matter. CNN has already convicted him.
Really? They dare compare a self defense shooting to a cold blooded murder? The Emmett Till case is notorious for its injustice.