No evidence that you consider persuasive. And you get to have your own opinion. Others are entitled to their opinion. You are a racist in my opinion. If that means nothing to you, so be it.
Opinion =/= evidence. You get to have your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Anyway, it’s not a matter of opinion. it’s a matter of whether or not I’ve actually discriminated against people based on race. That’s a matter of fact, not opinion.
Your opinion of my inner feelings or state of mind is, necessarily, baseless and irrelevant. The only way you could form an opinion of them is by what I say about them, and I say I’m not racist. You can either believe me, and accept that, or disbelieve me, and have no evidence either way. What you can’t do is say that I’m wrong about my own thoughts or feelings.
The fact I base my opinion on is the racist syllogism that you entertained. It is a fact you used it. Any reputable university would fire an instructor who used such a statement. You can deny it all you want, but you chose it. Racist. You are right, you do not get to erase the facts.
This depends - is the goat in fact a stuffed, plush goat?
Steophan, that’s Baah-baric!
Because you lie. You said I admitted to being racist against Whites, and that you were “done” with this thread several pages ago. You also lied about actually reading the threads of the racists you so eagerly defend. All lies. One of which could easily be remedied by you citing where I’ve admitted to racism.
So yeah, where’s my motherfucking cite, Cowardly Liar?
Errm, no. We can also form an opinion on your inner workings based on your actions on this board, *viz. * defending racists like CP, defending racist speech, and stalking anti-racists and accusing them of being racist without a shred of actual evidence. We can form the opinion that that is a stark contradiction of your stated stance on racism. I.e you may be suffering cognitive dissonance. Or senility. Or just stupidity.
You may not be a racist (the ‘“Blacks are subhuman” is just words’ thing might just be you being crazy), but damn, you sure do love them so. Which is kind of a distinction without a difference. You’re not a racist, you’re just on the racists’ side. So, “yay!” for you, I guess?
The “blacks are subhuman” thing came about as a reference to the views of slavers in 19th century America, which you then decided to take out of context and start a new thread about.
Since the statement was used to discuss the views of 19th century American slavers, it’s unlikely that any university would sack someone for using it in context…
But hey, keep making provably wrong claims all you like. It really helps your argument.
Oh, please, do tell us how context makes any change to the idiotic thing you said, which I quoted in full in my OP. That’s your own viewpoint in there, which you’ve stubbornly defended, not the viewpoint of a 19th century slaver. You’re the one who said “Blacks are subhuman” isn’t an inherently racist statement.
Don’t try and walk it back to just slaver-talk again, after you’ve already defended it as valid Philo101-think. The walk-back doesn’t sound any more convincing than it did on Tuesday.
That’s just cowardly, hiding behind the skirts of slaveholders. Not surprising, mind you.
The particular statement that would get you the sack at any decent University* isn’t* “Slaveholders thought Blacks were subhuman”, it’s “Saying Blacks are subhuman isn’t inherently racist”. Which is something you said, and repeatedly defended, not something a slaveholder said and you quoted.
Cowardly Liar.
Exactly. It’s a racist statement that Steophan has repeatedly stated is not a racist statement because, as he says, words are not actions. Statements are actions of the brain, mouth, larynx, and lungs. They are the foundational way of conveying meaning. Meaning that Steophan is racist.
19th century slaveholders weren’t racist because they thought blacks were subhuman, but because they treated blacks as subhuman. The action is all that matters.
Honestly, this is like fucking Nineteen Eighty-Four or something, attempting to police the morality of people’s private thoughts. Attempting to apply morality to anything other than actions is absurd - even applying it to inaction is troublesome. Applying it to something both that’s both unknowable and has no effect on anyone is fucking ridiculous.
Say someone does, in fact, think that blacks are subhuman, They also think that’s wrong, and act in every way as though they are as human as everyone else. They’re not, in any way that is meaningful, racist.
The discussion of racist ideas is also not racist, even if one doesn’t mention that the ideas are wrong at every point. That’s what you two don’t understand - it’s fine to discuss the ideas as neutral propositions. The racism, again, comes when one acts on the ideas, or advocates acting on them.
Words are not statements, actions of anything. They are abstract. Context is necessary to provide meaning. The context that would make anything I’ve said racist is entirely absent. You, as usual, have no idea what you’re talking about.
People who didn’t own slaves but still believed and asserted that blacks were subhuman were also racists.
Who’s policing? Pointing out that a specific assertion or belief is racist is not policing morality or thoughts in any sense.
If they assert “blacks are subhuman”, then they asserted something racist. If they hold that belief, then they hold a racist belief.
Not that big a deal. I don’t really care that much what random people believe, but I feel fine with identifying certain specific beliefs and assertions as “racist”.
Racism also comes with advocating racist ideas. Advocating the idea “black people are inferior” is a racist action. Trying to convince others that black people are inferior is a racist action.
“Racism” doesn’t just include physical actions – it includes beliefs and assertions. That’s how the word can be used, and that’s a part of what it can mean.
They are racist for both.
I know you really really want to change the meaning of the word “racism,” and if you get enough people on your side you will. But you don’t just get to invent a meaning then shriek when no one else buys it.
Racism is a belief. Words that end in -ism are generally beliefs, ideologies, or philosophies. They can be and are revealed in behavior.
Bullshit.
No-one’s policing anyone’s thoughts. We’re judging them, which is not the same thing.
And anyway, in your cowardly, lying case, we’re not even doing that. Are you claiming that your public posts on this board are magically sucked out of your private thoughts somehow? Because what I’m pitting you for are the things you actively fucking typed, not the (lack of) thoughts behind them.
Bull-fucking-shit.
Stand by inactive while Jews are shoved into the ovens or an uppity Negro is lynched and I’ll judge your immorality, and be right to do so.
Same for seeing a racist post and doing nothing about it. Assuming one actually ever saw it, of course :dubious:.
Nope, they’re still a racist. They’re just very guilty racists. And that’s great. They fucking should be.
“Blacks are subhuman” is not a neutral proposition, no matter how many times you assert it is.
No, you do not get your own private definition of racism that everyone else has to use. Thinking racist thoughts is still racism.
Nope. That pretty much fits into the “not even wrong” category. If there’s no way to distinguish between two things, there is no difference - and there’s no way to distinguish between someone thinking racist thoughts and someone not. It is literally meaningless to call thoughts, or any other purely mental processes, racist.
That words are used, and hence definitions created, by people too ignorant to understand that is not my fault, it’s the fault of education systems that don’t consider philosophy and linguistics to be necessary areas of study.
Yes, I know, I’ve repeatedly said that in this thread. However, mentioning the idea that some people think “black people are inferior” is not racist. That fact that someone here could say, as they are at least trying to, “Steophan thinks black people are inferior” and not be a racist for doing so (just an idiot) shows that the words themselves “black people are inferior” do not necessarily, in context, show the speaker is racist.
There are two separate issues in this thread. One is that words need context to have any meaning, and hence any moral value. That shouldn’t be controversial, but for some reason it seems to be.
The second, and harder to argue but no less true when actually thought about, is that internal thoughts and beliefs that are neither acted on nor expressed do not, for any practical purpose, exist in the wider world, and attempting to assign any properties to them is problematic. Add that to the fact that religious fundamentalists and totalitarian governments (hence the Nineteen Eighty-Four reference) claim to judge the inner, unexpressed beliefs of people, and you can see why it’s wrong to do so - even if acting on those beliefs would also be wrong.
In short, it’s not even wrong but meaningless to call racist someone who’s actions are never racist, only their internal thoughts, as it is impossible to know the truth of it.
People who think racist thoughts are racist. Me included. You included too. People who propagate racist phrases are more racist. Your racism is of a higher level of perniciousness because it perpetuates racist ideas and gives cover to racists to put those ideas out there with the intent or effect of fomenting stupidity and racism.
No, it does the opposite and makes those people responsible for that effect, regardless of the intent. As for propagating the phrase, I’m not the one who started a thread about it…