Stick a fork in her: Clinton's done

Nobody cares about Edwards. The bigger story is that Pelosi is leaning towards Obama. If she goes public with this endorsement, HRC is a goner.

"A senior adviser to Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, has suggested that she – along with other “party elders” – will step into the ring if they feel that Democratic hopes of winning back the White House or maintaining control over Congress are being threatened. Ms Pelosi insists that she remains neutral in the race and that her “focus is on reelecting a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives”.

However, her voice would carry great authority among many uncommitted super-delegates on Capitol Hill – and she is said by one of those close to her to be leaning towards Mr Obama. “The party Establishment is not going to turn its back on a candidate who is generating this tremendous excitement and bringing all these new voters into the political process,” an adviser said."

There’s no quesiton this would be a very good move for Pelosi. Will she do it before TX and OH I wonder?

Quite true. But a lot of people won’t vote for McCain for . . . various reasons, some rational, some emotional, some best not mentioned.

You would think that, but a prelim CNN poll has him tied with HRC and 5 points in back of Obama. McCain is hardly your standard Republican- he wants to give amnesty to all illegals!

I hope you are correct, but I didn’t see how the Dems could lose in 2004 and how Bush could be treated as a serious candidate in 2000. I’ve been burnt too many times. I won’t count her out until they put the stake through her heart. I won’t count on the Dems winning until they have and Huck still makes me very nervous, just in the fact he exists. I want Obama vs. McCain and I want Obama to win. I know too many people that have been Democrats their whole life that will vote McCain over HRC. Everything about these races makes me nervous now. Things happen very quickly in elections.

Dean went from the media darling to the trash heap in very short order. He did so for no reason at all. Suddenly the Democrats found the loosing strategy of Kerry/Edwards. A horrible choice that proved deadly.

Anyone remember Gary Hart?

Nope, I will wait until HRC suspends her candidacy and Obama picks a good solid VP before I will begin rejoicing that step one is done.

Jim

Wrong. He lost, and lost big, in Iowa. No one likes a loser. That’s why the media dumped him. Obama is way past that stage.

Really, that was the only reason? It wasn’t the endless and mindless playing of that clip out of context? No one has ever lost Iowa and won the nomination before? I think I am missing something in your post.

Jim

Oh, I have no doubt that some right-wingers are being honest, demonizing them as a group would be childish on my part. But you cannot ignore the campaign that is being orchestrated by a significant number of them to keep Mrs. Clinton in the race. If they are successful in arranging her nomination though, I can pretty much guarantee that most of these right-wing commentators who are now professing that they would support Hillary who suddenly “see the light” once the pre-planned smears begin and start supporting whoever the Republican nominee is. Their current “support” of the Clinton campaign is merely a ruse.

The scream thing (which was ridiculous, I hope it goes without saying) brought his candidacy to a faster end, but it’s not just that Dean lost Iowa. It’s that he was the favorite going in, and crashed to a third-place finish after Kerry and Edwards proved they ran better campaigns and had superior boots on the ground organizations. It’s all academic now, but even without the scream, the stories from then until New Hampshire were going to be negative and it would have been very hard to recover.

Nah, only partway done. The remainder of her candidacy is still heating up and preparing to ooze something - could be sleaze. :dubious:

Yep. This from AP writer Ron Fournier:

“Two senior Clinton advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the race candidly, said the campaign feels the New York senator needs to quickly change the dynamic by forcing Obama into a poor debate performance, going negative or encouraging the media to attack Obama. They’re grasping at straws, but the advisers said they can’t see any other way that her campaign will be sustainable after losing 10 in a row.”

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I do see the Pundits hoping she wins the democratic nominations. They think she is more beatable than Obama. (I do too, which is why I hope she loses soon.)
I was defending the right wing members of this board, who don’t like Hillary and are open about it. Some like Obama or are inspired by him and some like McCain and some like none of the candidates that are left. It cannot be more than a small handful of Right-Wing Republican Dopers that like HRC.

Iowa is always a tricky state. This year had surprises also. I think Dean may have had a chance to recover is not for that damn clip. He could not have done any worse against Bush then Kerry did.

Yeah, I’ve been wondering who he’s been referring to. I’m not aware of any conservatives around here evangelizing for Hillary. This isn’t to say there aren’t any, but I haven’t seen them if so.

Diane Rehm Show on NPR just now had guests Prof. James Thurber, Director and Professor at the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies at American University;Stephen Dinan, National Political Reporter for the Washington Times, Chris Cillizza, Author of “The Fix” on washingtonpost.com, Bennett Roth, Reporter for the Houston Chronicle and Joe Hallett, Chief Political Reporter for the Columbus Dispatch, in Columbus Ohio.

It was a very interesting talk, and in the end there is a large psychological mainstream facade that has been building over the last several weeks. Obama went from a well liked Democratic Candidate to [According to James Thurber] a movement candidate, and that is the reason he is getting voters to cross from supporting Clinton to supporting him. Jow Hallet of the Columbus Dispatch said that the working class people from his state are closly looking at the momentum he is gaining, and are all tuning into his GM speech.

When Diane asked about Clinton’s chances many of the commentators brought up her electability and her percieved downward spiral as being key reasons her campaign is failing.

But . . but that’s . . . that means . . .

He’s not going to live to election day, is he? No way is he going to live to election day! :frowning:

He’s going to live to election day - have no fear. He’ll even make a great inaugural speech to boot.

The closest I have seen is Shodan, but to be fair, I think he is just saying is the better of two bad choices (to him).

But, but… isn’t she the candidate of inevitability?

I was flashing on this Warren Beatty movie.

A black POTUS is tolerable to the Powers that Be and the Bohemian Grove. But the very idea of a real working-class-based-movement president scares a lot of people you wouldn’t want to scare. (After all, who do those Secret Service agents really work for? :wink: )

I have never said this before, but…do you have a cite for this?

I mean no disrespect, and I can see the idea you’re trying to provoke, but really, come on…