Well I agree that the line between the psychological and the physical is blurry. There seem to be hormones which affect one’s urge to eat.
Yes, but I am skeptical of this evidence since a lot of these studies of diet rely on self-reporting.
I’ve heard this theory before, and I am skeptical of it. If it were true, then why cannot obesity be cured with liposuction?
I won’t lie – it’s a constant struggle. But I would rather give up the tasty food – and not be fat – than be fat.
But I’m not perfect. There are times I overeat. And I notice it in my waistline. I then cut back on my eating, and the waistline goes back to normal. Lather, rinse, repeat. Been doing this for over 20 years.
I have learned that my weight is primary determined by how much I eat, not by *what *I eat and not by exercise. It’s strictly calories. I believe this is true for all humans.
Because traditional liposuction only removes a small fraction of the fat cells, typically in places that have the most cosmetic effect. Fat cells live throughout your body, and it is surgically risky to remove too much fat in this way.
Your skepticism doesn’t really move me. You seem to want to be able to blame people unequivocally who can’t keep weight off. I don’t think this attitude helps anyone struggling with weight control any more than it helps alcoholics. People are responsible for their own actions, but at the same time they deserve acknowledgement of the very real difficulties that they face.
If you want to judge people, judge them for getting fat in the first place. For me, at least, that was pure self-indulgence, for which I am paying now, and for the rest of my life.
Roddy
Do you happen to have a cite for this claim?
I’m not sure where you got that from. I’ve been knocking stoid a bit for claiming unjustified expertise.
Anyway, I’m well aware that it’s very difficult to lose weight and keep it off.
Actually, I strongly suspect that it’s the same problem in both cases. But I am eager to consider your evidence regarding liposuction.
Here’s another question: Do women who undergo breast reduction surgery notice a diminishment in appetite?
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It is my opinion that failure to understand this dynamic is the single biggest factor in many people’s failure to maintain their weight loss. The other biggest factor is failure to realize that keeping off significant weight loss involves a drastic change of lifestyle, including both frequent cardio exercise and what most (Western) people would regard as an abstemious diet.
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On your first point - if people fail to understand the effect of weight loss on their physiology, what can be done to remedy this? I mean, what behaviors would you see in response to this fact?
Education and on-going support. When I lost weight it was within a medical organization that provided both of these things. While on the weight-loss path, attendance at weekly meetings was mandatory, and each meeting spent at least 30 minutes educating us. Then there was an optional maintenance program (not free, but much less than the weight loss program) that also involved weekly meetings that were more focused on support, and on keeping people focused on what they needed to do to keep the weight off.
It would be great to have better nutrition education starting in grade school. Getting funding would be a challenge, of course. And I’m not talking about “eat this, don’t eat that”, but more fundamental education on how the body stores energy, how it burns energy, and how these two things balance out. That kind of thing.
Our food industry is almost completely committed to the current model, however, and I really don’t see this kind o f change in education happening. Unfortunately.
Roddy
Ummm… I guess it’s opposite day,eh?
Upon seeing my honeywheat donut thread, you were sure that my eating honeywheat donuts meant that my low-carb efforts had failed and such failure had therefore undermined the things I talked about in the original thread.
I have extensively answered your questions and demonstrated that any such belief was in error.
How you choose to specially define what diets failing and working mean, what knowing and doing consist of, is your issue. I am confident that I have expressed myself with more than enough clarity to avoid any misunderstanding by people who have no agenda.
And with that, I exit this discussion.
Any research on liposuction will confirm this.
For one thing, liposuction only removes surface fat, not deep fat deposits. (cite, Mayo Clinic)
Highest amount of fat and other body liquids removed is in the neighborhood of 12 pounds (cite). This is not all fat, and the source does not say how much is actual fat cells. No site that I could find would make even this specific a claim. Suppose it is 50% or 6 pounds. That isn’t much of a change for a 200-pound person.
Your question about breast reduction is laughable. How much tissue do you think is removed? How much of that is fat? One pound? Probably less.
Roddy
That’s not true at all.
Here’s what I said:
I did not express certitude. Anyway, I would say the jury is still out on your diet success. I do concede that you did better than I expected, although part of the reason I was inclined to bet against you was the fact that you disappeared for quite a while.
You’ve answered some of my questions. You’ve also engaged in a lot of evasion and semantic games.
I would have been interested in knowing your response to my most recent question – whether you believe that sticking to a diet requires knowledge. You seem to think that the answer is “no,” it’s just something you are able to do or not. I suspect that’s part of the problem you have had.
Goodbye, thank you for participating.
Actually your cite says that the limit is 12 pounds per session; not 12 pounds in your lifetime.
It also says that liposuction is not effective as a weight loss procedure. If your hypothesis were correct, a few liposuction sessions ought to have a significant effect on your urge to eat.
I have no idea.
Your skepticism aside, everything that Roderick told you has been firmly established by extremely robust studies. The work of Columbia University’s Rudolph Leibel is particularly salient.
I mean, Christ, brazil84. You’ve started how many threads about obesity in your SDMB tenure? Thirty? Eighty? And yet, you have somehow managed to avoid acquiring even a modicum of knowledge on the subject. How is that even possible? Catastrophically botched cephalic liposuctions? I’m serious, I really want to know how you do this. Is it deliberate concussions? Daily autoerotic asphyxiations to the point of cerebral hypoxia, perhaps? Do you shove a rusty icepick up your nose and joggle it around in your brain tissue every time you think you might have accidentally learned some facts? You’re amazing.
That may very well be so; I’ve never claimed to be an expert and there is good reason to be skeptical of a lot of the claims made in this area.
Better that than to know things which aren’t so.
That’s not an apples to apples comparison. Someone who dieted to get to 190 was never the same kind of person as a 190 pound person who never dieted. It might very well be that some people have a tendency to get fat and that tendency is with them regardless of how much they have dieted in the past.
Look, at some earlier point in her life, this individual weighed 190 pounds for the very first time. What would have happened then if she had consumed 2600 calories per day? And perhaps more importantly, did she have a stronger urge to consume food than a typical 190 pound female of her age? The study does not and cannot answer these questions.
It’s called critical thinking. And I don’t accept claims simply because they reflect the popular viewpoint. I’m pretty confident that if you look back more than a few decades, you will be able to find articles (and studies) which are now discredited. How are you so supremely and utterly confident that this article (and the underlying study) are correct in their conclusions?
It’s much more reasonable to be skeptical. Although I will concede that the claims about muscle biopsies, if substantiated, are pretty good evidence that dieting affects metabolism.
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Wow. My search turned up about 17 all in the last year. It is rather remarkable that it is a topic of such interest to him and yet he seems to be so much in the dark about so much basic information…
Welcome back. To rational people, the world is confusing. Unlike you, I don’t have all the answers figured out.
I will be blunt: somebody with as little factual knowledge as you on this topic has no business claiming “skepticism” regarding anything even remotely related to it. I can’t even come up with an insulting analogy for how incredibly ignorant you are. It’s like you were homeschooled by a pile of driftwood. Only even then I would think you’d have learned how liposuction works at some point in your life. Read a fucking book. It doesn’t even matter which one.
Please give me 3 specific examples of important pieces of factual knowledge you believe I am lacking. This should be very easy for you since I am so ignorant and you are such an expert.
i.e. knowledge without which I have no right to be skeptical of studies like the one mentioned above.
^ Whoa. Now you’re talking to yourself. Get a grip.
Lol, just a clarification – missed the edit window. Thanks for your concern though.
This is how it begins. There is no end.
Run, colander. Run!