That’s great, I’ve been doing some informal research into diet and weight loss - would you mind if I followed up with you in a year or two to see where you are at?
By the way, it doesn’t appear that Stoid really ate a low carb high fat diet. It was more likely “low carb, high fat, but high carb when I feel like it.”
Lol, more meta. But let me first ask you this - first, what did I post which makes you think I am “rabidly determined”? Second, why do you care?
Not at all. If your assumption is that it’s not sustainable, clearly only time will tell - but I’ll say that I have a huge amount of motivation to continue eating this way. I can’t stress enough how sick and exhausted I’d become through eating sugars and starchy carbs; I had undiagnosed blood sugar issues and simply cannot handle them. I know all too well what carbs do to me - and frankly I prefer to have my health and keep my eyesight and both feet rather than have those French fries. It’s just become a way of life for me, and is much more about getting/staying healthy than losing weight.
However, I’ll freely admit that if someone’s only motivation is losing weight, then they might well get to where I am now and think, ‘Oh, I’ve lost so much weight; I can have a little treat now’ - and that’s when the weight goes rebounding back on. You really do have to see it as a way of life - a permanent change, not something you do only until the weight’s gone.
You might well be right (in fact, you probably are) - but that doesn’t negate the basic concepts.
Let’s say you seem rather invested in proving her wrong - and seem to take it as a personal affront that someone could lose weight without excruciating effort. And I care because I know from personal experience how life-changing and even life-saving this diet can be for some people.
I too know the way to successful weight-loss. A modest intake of healthy food, no crappy food, no binging, and moderate exercise. All it takes is discipline. Am I actually able to do it? That is the question.
Mocking someone for not sticking to a weight loss program on an internet forum is pretty low. Way to keep it really classy SDMB.
b’zil, are you confident that you know what “meta” means? Because I’m not.
But if he doesn’t, then isn’t that meta?
And 'sup with the b’zil talk, viney?
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I have an affinity for Brazil that I prefer not to pollute by association with you-know-who.
I’m open to alternate nicknames though. The more derogatory the better!
Vinyl Dipshit?
Pineal Tourniquet?
Final Cuntslit?
Even though he pulled them out of his butt, there was nothing fictional about the first 6 words from his first sentence:
…because he is, in fact, an idiot, and I do, in fact, dismiss everything he has to say. Even though he put those words into my mouth, and I never actually posted them, he didn’t put in words I hadn’t already spoken, I’d just never said them out loud, nor posted them. I wouldn’t want to shit on a mental defective, after all. It wouldn’t look good for me. Points for him. He’s approaching zero. No longer so far into the negative range, but he’s got quite a way to go to get a (+).
Then we come to this:
Maybe the sun is about to rise in Brazil.
…where Brazil demonstrates a textbook example of ‘projection’. He didn’t have any point to actually respond to. He can’t come up with a substantive response to 'Oh look! The Sun is rising!" [Helpful hint, dweeb. You didn’t make a substantive argument, therefore no substantive response was possible, let alone required. But that’s what you always do, so I was just poking you with a stick, [yawn, again] even though you did make the quote up out of your ass, like you do with all your “arguments”.]
I dismiss anything he has to say because he is, in fact, an idiot. Just read his blog. All will become clear.
Yeah, maybe it’s time to take some time off. Screw a cactus, Brazil, you’re an idiot. Blow me.
I’m not making such an assumption. I do believe based on the evidence that (1) a very high percentage of people who lose weight in the 60 pound range regain in the first few years; and (2) the problem is even worse for people who take a low carb approach.
The second point is based in part on the National Weight Loss Control Registry, which apparently reports that very very few of its members take a low carb approach.
Would you mind summarizing the “basic concepts” for me so I know what you are talking about here?
Would you mind quoting me where I have done so? That’s certainly not how I feel. I do admit I have an objection to stoid which that she acted as though she is an expert on diet and weight loss even though she was admittedly very much overweight; the basis for her claimed expertise was that she had read part of a book.
But I am also interested to learn how she feels now about the subject.
Yes, that is the question. As Crafter Man has pointed out repeatedly, obesity appears to be largely a psychological problem.
I would say it depends. If the person acts as though they are an expert on diet and weight loss, and it turns out they are not, then they probably deserve to be mocked a bit.
Lol, of course not. All you did was name-call. So perhaps you are the one who is projecting.
Lol, another brilliant argument. :rolleyes:
I generally eschew reading, much less responding, to Pit threads directed at me. But it was brought to my attention that the OP asks straightforward questions without any special attempt to be rude. (Although admittedly did so in hopes of inciting acrimony, which I cannot help but note is the most unfortunate of motives for anything at all) I will therefore answer them.
Yes, absolutely. More than ever.
Yes, exactly as I expected it would. For me, restricting carbs means eating meat, fat, nuts, eggs, avocados, lard, butter, green vegetables and cheese (lots of cheese!). Some favorite frequent meals are chicken wings fried in lard , carnitas, (which I finally mastered after decades of trying: fatty salted pork submerged in lard and cooked no a very low heat for many hours - cooking in lard prevents the meat’s natural moisture from escaping. Fry the fatty bits in the lard. Serve with guacamole. Be really happy.) and crème brulee without the brulee and sweetened with Truvia, topped with nutmeg.
My daily calorie intake probably averaged at least double the 1300-1400 I had been eating for a few weeks before starting that thread, and which left me obsessed with food, tired, ravenous, and not losing any weight.
With carb restriction I was enjoying my food, I was never hungry or cranky, and I had no desire to eat beyond the point of basic satiety. The only thing I consistently missed was fruit and juice, a desire I addressed with no-cal fruit drinks.
I lost nearly 55 pounds over the course of the following year, including three or four “holidays” lasting between 2-5 days each, during which I gave myself carte blanche to eat anything at all, and as much of it as I wanted. My choices during those holidays were bread and sweets.
The extremes allowed me to clearly observe my own response to different kinds of food, and the triggering effect of sugar and flour on my appetite and capacity to overeat was astonishing. It was like flipping an on-off switch. Restricting carbs naturally normalizes the appetite so that it operates as it’s supposed to: sufficient food consumed, desire to eat disappears, no matter how delicious the carnitas or cheese may be. But eat some (good…I may love sweets but I am super picky and have no desire to eat crap just because it’s sweet) cake or ice cream or pie or crackly bread and my desire to keep eating it can survive well beyond the point of physical discomfort. (A point that I reach much more easily these days, thank heaven… when I think back on some of the most memorable binges of my youth I’m gobsmacked that I was ever able to contain so much at once without bursting.)
Since then my motivation for losing more greatly diminished and I relaxed my restrictions, resulting in my gaining and losing the same 15-20 pounds at various times. (that’s the obese person’s equivalent of a more average sized person’s 5-10 pounds) My fundamental grocery list is still driven by carb restriction, but even a little bread or sweets keeps me from losing and a little more will make me gain. It takes hardly anything. But again, my weight hasn’t been a concern lately, only enough to make sure I don’t disengage from thinking about it for so long that I gain everything back just through carelessness, and that hasn’t happened.
And actually, since I got my new puppy a month ago I have found myself being so much more physical so much more of the time that my obesity is actively bothering me and I’ve been restricting my carbs with an eye to taking off more weight to increase my capacity for physical activity and reduce my discomfort. Which was actually one of the reasons I got the puppy, I knew she would get my ass in gear in more ways than one, and it’s working.
Before anyone asks: I have no desire or intention to try and get to what is considered a normal/average/healthy weight. I’m 55 years old and I’ve been some degree of obese my whole life; losing all the excess weight I carry would leave me with physically uncomfortable, not to mention hideous, skin drapes on my inner thighs, my upper arms, my gut and my breasts. Surgery would never be an option for me, and I don’t want to live with having to fold up bits of me simply to walk. I’d prefer to be fat, and given my age and the fact that right now I’m significantly smaller than the largest I’ve ever been (a decade ago), I’m already much floppier and squishier than I’m very thrilled about.
But I’m bigger than I want to be for other reasons, and I’m finding myself more interested in taking it off, so I’m leaving out the carbs.
Having said all that, I’d like to point out that the OP seems confused about the science of obesity vs. an individual’s success or failure at losing weight. So let me clear it up: understanding the mechanisms involved in obesity has only a little to do with whether any particular individual will be successful at losing weight. Whilea better understanding means employing the strategies that are more comfortable and effective, it remains sadly true that only diet that anyone would find completely pleasant 100% of the time is one which permits eating everything you want in any quantity you want whenever you want. Until such a weight loss strategy is magically conjured up, losing weight, particularly for people who are starting from genuine obesity, will always be uncomfortable to some degree because it will require self-denial of some kind. And sustaining the eating habits necessary to maintain the lower weight, particularly for people who are starting from genuine obesity, will always be uncomfortable to some degree, and even greater one perhaps, because it will require continuous self-denial for years on end.
All to say: the fact that I desire to make and eat honeywheat donuts only means that I desire to make and eat honeywheat donuts. I like honeywheat donuts a lot, they are one of my very favorite sweet treats. Successful carb restriction will and does prevent me from being obsessed with honeywheat donuts, but it does not magically carve away that place in my brain where my fondness for them resides, eliminating any possibility of my succumbing to my desire for them. It just makes it very much easier for me to quiet the desire after I’ve given in to it once or twice, making it safer and easier to do exactly that without risking going out of control.
I split the difference and use donut and through respectively
The more I think about it, the sillier it is… are there really a whole lot of people in the world who believe that the reason people are fat is exclusively because there’s a magic formula yet to be found that anyone could and would employ and sustain over a lifetime if we could just figure out what it is? That can’t be true, can it?
If it is, allow me to reiterate my position: the closest you’ll get to such a formula or universal truth is carb restriction. Particularly if you are battling genuine obesity, vs. needing to take off a few extra pounds picked up in middle age or post pregnancy. (I keep referring to the difference of the obese because we are different; whether we start out that way or being obese itself changes us - and I think it’s both- science has confirmed that the brains, guts and pancreas, -as well as the fat itself!- of obese people operate very differently than the non-obese. So things that can work for the slightly chubby or suddenly chunky cannot necessary be applied to people carrying an extra 100 pounds plus.)
Just put me on your “I will not engage this poster” list, then, Brazil. You’re a completely useless waste of electrons, and I have no interest in engaging with you. Nor is it at all useful to engage with you. You are about the most perfect example of “message board retard” that has ever existed. Please. Put me on your list. So we can all point and laugh at you. Retard.
PALATR
For it to be an argument, someone would have to take the position that you’re not an idiot. As far as I know nobody’s stepped up to the plate yet.
When is dinner? I’ll wash the dishes.
I wish! One major advantage of the low-fat/vegetarian diet is a much cleaner kitchen! Between my homemade dog food, my own diet and my ADD housekeeping challenges it sometimes feels like I will never escape the greasey dishes, never mind the grease that settles on every exposed surface…sigh.
And I am fortunate to be a good cook, that helps a lot. If I was forced to rely on packaged food or restaurants, it would be a challenge.