^5 Stoid! I’ve been eating close to the same way for over four years and I’ve lost all-told over 80 lbs. I gain a little if I screw up, lose when I don’t just like everyone else. It’s a life-long battle but it sure helps to avoid those simple carbs. I’m so glad you came back to update, even if it was in response to an insulting pit thread.
Far better than any argument you have ever come up with. Keep in mind that your reputation around here is about as low as my dog’s butt when he’s taking a dump, and the opinions you spout are worth about as much as the loaves he pinches off.
No one thinks you have anything worthwhile to say. Except maybe your mother. But until and unless we start polling truck-stops on ‘who gives the best head’, that opinion probably won’t be worth very much.
Who’s your daddy? What company did he drive for?
And even more importantly, how does she know it was him and not the guy she’d served previously, or subsequently?
Cut him some slack, he’s an idiot.
Thank you for responding to my questions, do you mind if I check back with you in a year or so to see how things are going?
Actually I agree with this. And believe it or not, I am glad that you are having some success.
Lol, more name-calling. Anyway, if you don’t want to engage with me, just don’t read or respond to my posts. It’s very simple.
You just love to assert conclusions, don’t you?
Another brilliant argument.
I have a serious question for you: Are you 18 or older? Because I know my posts are getting to you and I would not want to beat up on a child.
Seriously, are you 18 or older?
Oh, I got another one: Spinal Vern Yip.
Not so derogatory, I guess, but it has that sort of Mad Magazine-ness to it, you know?
WHY THEN were you being such a smarmy little shit about it? This is what she always said.
I don’t understand the question . . . I had to look up the word “smarmy” and it says “Ingratiating and wheedling in a way that is perceived as insincere or excessive”
Who exactly do you say I am ingratiating myself to? 
stoid acted as though she had a lot of knowledge on diet and weight loss based on having read part of a book and without significant practice. As Crafter Man pointed out, she was like a pauper lecturing people on how to get rich after having read a few chapters of Rich Dad Poor Dad.
So part of my motivation was to bust on her a bit. But also I was genuinely curious about her experiences. I am still pretty skeptical about low carb dieting, but she does present a data point worth considering.
Don’t listen to him!
This is an inaccurate perception of the many posts I made in that thousand-post thread, and an inaccurate perception of what I know, when and how I came to know it. I have been fat and fighting it my whole life- Taubes’ book just filled in some important blanks, it wasn’t brand new info for me. My first foray into low-carb was in 1970, and over the years iI learned more and eventually came to know how effective it was for me. What I learned from Taubes is the science about why it works and why it is actually safe, because I Learned more clearly about how the human body processes food. Prior to reading his book I Never really felt safe committing to such a diet for life for health reasons. Now I do.
I disagree, I just re-read your very first post in the thread which contains a lengthy exposition about your views on dieting, weight loss, the obesity epidemic etc. You mentioned nothing about carbohydrates or insulin.
Perhaps more importantly, at the time of that that thread, you had been admittedly unsuccessful in your weight loss.
So you really were like a poor person telling people how to get rich. Anyway, to reiterate, I am glad you are having some success.
Is it midnite pie? 
Says the fatty shoveling donuts into his face hole.
But it’s so much fun poking you with sticks I find on the ground (or within your posts). Why would I want to ignore you when you’re so much fun to poke?
What, now you’re objecting to people using your own techniques against you? Yep, Idiot.
So what company did your daddy drive for. So, what truck-stop were you conceived in? You’re countering a pitting brilliantly, here. I know I’m impressed by your brilliant flame ability.
Serious answer is yes, I’m over 18. In fact I’m more than a decade or two older than that. Where you assert that you are ‘getting to [me]’, you’re wrong. You’re an idiot. I’m just poking you with convenient sticks, and watching the monkey dance. Sorry, asshole. Troll fail. You’re on the wrong side of the “Troll Bridge”, here.
Sigh… at the risk of trainwreckage…and as long as things are still civil in spite of our location…
The fact that my initial post did not mention low-carb dieting means… nothing. At least as it pertains to my statements here.
The OP of that thread was what it was, and what it was not was a comprehensive review of everything I ever knew, learned, tried or experienced in my quest to achieve a slimmer body. I also did not mention the Beverly Hills Diet, Phen-fen, Weight Watchers, OA, You on a Diet, or the many varieties of carbohydrate restriction that I had learned about and tried with varying degrees of success over the ***31 years ***prior to my writing that OP, starting with Atkins in 1970 and including Stillman, South Beach, Zone, Neanderthin, Carb Addicts, Mediterrenean, Low Glycemic Index, Sugarbusters and every imaginable permutation in between.
Without any question, the easiest and most successful diets I ever did were carbohydrate restriction. And that became more true with the passing years, as my body continued to change in response to my weight cycling and it became easier and easier for me to put on more and more weight with less and less actual food and harder and harder for me to lose it by any means that amounted to calorie restriction.
But, as I said in my last post here, I did not have a solid understanding of the underlying science of it, of how the body actually works, so while I knew without doubt that carb restriction was the most effective and painless way to lose weight, ( for me particularly since I am so fond of fat and meat), I was not confident that I could safely adopt that way of eating permanently. I was buying into the belief that fat was ultimately bad and that for health reasons I needed to try to simply restrict my calories. When I wrote that OP it was my first calorie-focused attempt at weight loss in many years. I was amazed at how difficult and ineffective it had become for me to use semi-starvation, and I knew that if that was really the only healthy way to get and stay smaller then I was truly screwed and I might as well just get used to the idea that my life was probably going to be shorter than I would like because I was never going to manage to lose and keep off enough weight to make a difference.
The original point of the OP was to present myself as a test of the debate that has always raged around here about fat people and what they are really eating, what it really takes to stay fat or lose weight, etc. Because before I started the diet I knew what I was eating and I knew that if I had been eating the same way when I was 22 I would probably have been in pretty good shape, maybe an extra 40 pounds on my 5’8" frame. Yo-yo dieting had/has absolutely changed the way my body gains and sheds fat, and it’s radically different from the experience of my friends of the same age who never had a weight problem but now battle middle aged spread. And my lo-cal diet proved to me once and for all that I wasn’t bullshitting myself about that.
Then, somewhere along the way, someone (I shamefacedly admit I can’t readily recall who, and I should because they did me such a huge favor… I’ll have to dig it up) sent me a copy of Taubes’ book. The revelation was not that low-carb works, it was why , and why its not only safe, it much safer than calorie restriction.
Finally, allow me to reiterate that you continue to make the same mistake in your logic: the fact of any individual being fat or being thin does not, in itself, tell you much of anything about the degree of education or understanding they have about the nutritional and biological mechanisms involved in weight management. To whatever degree that you can rely on a given person’s weight to guess about what they know on the subject, everything else being equal I think it is much more logical that a person who has a significant weight problem and has had it for a long time will almost certainly have much more information than the slim person for a very simple and obvious reason:* they have a compelling motivation to acquire that information. *
This has been my personal experience and observation of it. Nearly everyone I am close to is free from obesity issues. As a consequence, their knowledge is surprisingly shallow. They don’t have weight problems, they don’t spend time and energy learning about the subject. (Actually, as a few have battled middle age spread in recent years they have started to pay more attention to the subject.)
The reasons that people are fat very rarely have much to do with an absence of information or understanding; it is not valid to assert, simply on the basis of my being obese, that I cannot possibly have a good understanding and valuable information about weight loss. We all know that knowing a thing a doing a thing are very different (those who can…). Particularly in this area, since there are so many different things going on that affect an individuals weight, ranging from genes to emotions.
Well here’s what you said before:
Lol, more projection.
Lol, whatever you say. :rolleyes:
Can somebody read Stoid’s walls of text and tell me if she lost weight or not?
I disagree, but the post speaks for itself.
Well there is a difference between (1) understanding the nutritional and biological mechanisms involved in weight management; and (2) knowing how to lose weight and keep it off.
A 15 year old child could sit down for 15 minutes and write up a diet which, if followed, would provide excellent nutrition and result in lasting weight loss.
And now I disagree, mostly because you are being very sloppy in the way you are expressing these things.
Here’s your assertion that I am rebutting:
The plain meaning of these statements is that only people who have succeeded at doing a thing can tell people how the thing is done with any authority.
If the poor person had once been rich (I could bring you a long, long list of people who went from rich to poor), would their information about how to become rich be meaningless? No, of course not (this is a terrible example, obviously, because there are so many ways of acquiring wealth, but just for the sake of the argument…). What is more likely to be accurate is to say that the poor person has very valuable information about how to become rich, but they might not have the best information about how to prevent becoming poor, depending on the circumstances that led to it. But having become rich, they have the authority to speak to that.
Same with obese people, virtually all of whom have lost hundreds, perhaps thousands of pounds over their lifetimes. Many of them have gone all the way from morbidly obese to perfectly slender then back to morbidly obese and then some, and even back to slender and all degrees of up and down between, many, many times. The people who know how to lose weight are the people who have lost it, and the people who have lost it are the obese. Generally the bigger they are, the more they have lost and the more often they have lost it.
Losing weight can be done many ways, some easier, faster, harder, healthier than others. As you say, a kid could give you a healthy diet that would work.
“if followed” PERMANENTLY.
Losing weight is not the same thing as never getting fat again. Being poor doesn’t mean you don’t know how to get rich. (Imagine someone who is brilliant at trading on the stock market and can make huge money that way… but they have a fatal love of playing roulette and blow it all and end up on the street. Does that mean their stock savvy is worthless? Certainly not.) It doesn’t even mean you don’t know exactly how to STAY rich. It just means that for any number of reasons, you find it overwhelmingly difficult to do what you know perfectly well it takes to stay rich. And in the case of the obese, many of those reasons are biological, and a direct consequence of the obesity itself. And therefore they get fat again. And get thin again…and fat again…and thin again…
Sorry, no. Even I am not that masochistic. Maybe we can get brazil to do it. He’s kinda stupid enough to talk into doing stupid shit.