Wishing abuse on someone is pretty fucking gross, dude.
Do YOU know “what it’s really all about”? Have you been in a violent relationship? I mean, on the receiving side? No? Then shut yer yap and stop wishing it on others.
That being said, this will never be a complete clusterfuck hive-mind pile-on until Guinastasia shows up.
WTF?! I wish a lot worse than that on people pretty frequently, and anybody who knows me will tell you I’m one of those rare truly-bighearted can-do-no-wrong good guys. I figure what’s going on in most people’s heads most days is even worse.
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I’m pretty familiar with the Internet, bud. You aren’t that familiar with the SDMB. And you think that this place is dumber than most of the Internet? Haven’t you ever heard of fucking 4chan? Or Free Republic? Or any one of the thousands, if not millions of websites out there with political views far more uninformed than the SDMB? You really can’t name any boards out there dumber than this place?
Yeah. And I’m unfamiliar with the Internet. :rolleyes:
By the way, if you haven’t noticed and I’m sure you haven’t, asking questions about something is not the same thing as supporting something. I admit it often is a smokescreen (Glenn Beck, for example), but I haven’t seen anyone here who was asking anything that seriously suggested that they supported SAVE. Glenn Beck doesn’t post here, last time I checked.
And I’m still waiting for you to show me that post here from whoever allegedly “expressed interest” in SAVE.
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Let’s put you to the test, shall we? What do you want to happen to Holocaust deniers? White supremacists? Phelps clan? If you’ve never in your life wished any harm on anyone like that, I’ll lick my dachshund’s ass.
Anybody who knows me will tell you. I’ve actually heard people say that about me, “He’s got the biggest heart in the world,” “He can do no wrong.” If only they could see inside . . .
For 35 years I’ve said that everyone, and I mean everyone, is insane, the only question is the degree. When people question this, I tell them that if they take the most sane, rational, level headed, normal, nice person they know and scratch under the surface… They’ll find some pretty fucked up shit.
BrainGlutton, I guess I don’t really have an opinion about you, so I’m not saying you’re a bad person and you don’t need to defend yourself to me on this. I’m just raising the eyebrow at the juxtaposition of “other people say I’m awesome” with the clear guilt about wishing harm on someone. I almost said “clearly they don’t know you”, but that would be mean and hypocritical of me. After all, I consider myself a good person and god knows I wish harm on enough people… 
But for me, and this is just speaking of myself, even in the darkest, bitterest moments of my divorce when I gladly wished cancer, horrific death and many other evils upon my soon to be ex, I couldn’t bring myself to wish upon her what she had done to me - and hell, I’m a huge proponent of Karmic Justice. I squee with delight when I see it and truly wish it happened more often. No, what I wished up on her was to know what she had done. To truly, inescapably know in her heart and mind exactly what she had done not just to me but to everyone around her, and the harm it caused not just all of us, but her as well. Because you see, I had to figure that would be the worst form of hell imaginable to someone whose world image was Herself as the perpetual victim.
After that, she could drop dead. 
At this point, I would say I am.
Intimately, and the fact that you leap to compare this place with places like that, well, in my mind, kind of proves my point. This place is also slightly more intelligent than the IMDB forums, or most YouTube comment pages. But the fact that it’s necessary to resort to such comparisons kind of illustrates the general attitude here.
But sorry. Obviously you’re really upset, and you’re going to continue to run on about how upset you are about what I said.
The Free Republic and HuffPo are really the only places that run across my mind when I try to think of people more ill-informed than what is typical here.
Of course I can. But most other places are definitely smarter.
And no, I’m not going to name places where I can actually gain some decent, grown-up style argument, because I don’t want to attract people like you to them. There are lots of places where the discourse is so grown-up that we don’t have to engage in continual, endless arguments about global warming (it exists) or scientific racism (it’s not valid). Here these basic, clearly proven ideas get classified as “political”, and thus are endlessly debated and re-debated, because this place is full of kindergarten-level debates, and thus kindergarten questions are endlessly unresolved.
Given that you think this place occupies some exalted position, yes, clearly so.
No, but arguing that men are somehow victims of domestic violence law is supporting a certain position. Whether or not the typical poster here can recognize that.
And treating someone who is offering spin to disguise a revolting agenda as though they are a person offering a legitimate argument is also a clear piece of bias. And it’s the sort of bias I am used to seeing here.
I said that a poster here expressed a clear interest in the bullshit lies being spouted by the SAVE representative who showed up. If you’re seriously arguing that point, then, well, you’re kind of proving me right, aren’t you?
Okay, so you wish that people who disagree with you (obviously, at this point, me included) were being abused by our spouses.
I think it’s more causative actually - if he loves me and he thinks this is good for me, it must be! I actually hope it’s more to do with naivety. Or that they’re outright pretending to be a woman for sympathy.
Seems like false equivalence. Care to provide two equivalent articles or comments from each source?
Same question goes for you as for Martin Hyde, by the way… What do you get out of posting here? If you think everyone here is misinformed, do you think you can inform us? Or are you here for “amusement”?
I thought they already could?
You used your right to freedom of speech, for which countless numbers of men and women have died, to say that?
I’ll cut to the chase. So far you haven’t answered a single question of mine, you’ve done nothing handwave everything I’ve posted with weasel bullshit if you bothered to acknowledge it at all, you go into whiny, hysterical WAAHHH WAHHHH I’M BEING ABUSED! every time you think someone says something sexist, racist, homophobic or whatever, which in your mind is is defined as “anyone who disagrees with mister nyx on any issue”. Say what you will about me getting upset, but I didn’t really feel that strongly about this until you accused me supporting domestic abuse. But I’ll get to that one before long.
And we can’t forget your sheer inability to even recognize the point I’m trying to make. I’m not even going to touch the disgusting and idiotic accusation you made at the end there, except to say that if you read that out of my post, then you’re a complete fucking idiot and I would ask you to have the decency to apologize, except shitstains with massive persecution complexes like you wouldn’t know decency if it ran you over with its pick-up truck.
Look, to me it’s pretty obvious what you really are about. You don’t give two flying fucks about minorities or the issues they face. To your dumb ass, it isn’t about them at all. It’s about you. You have a Texas-sized victim complex, and the whole minority thing is just a smokescreen you use to shut anyone up that calls you out on your bullshit. I don’t know about what other boards you go to, but most people here, and most people in general, see through that crap or at the very least, won’t have any respect for you because of it. I sure as hell don’t. And to be honest, while I believe that there are plenty of places with that level of discourse, you sure as hell haven’t contributed anything to them.
And you wanna know something else, numbskull? You made a pretty poor choice of smokescreen. All your hysterical whining pisses off the rest of the population, and when you throw up that “but but but but MINORITIES!” excuse, you are representing them and people will end up pissed off at them, making their lives and their noble efforts to gain equality even harder. You’re fucking over gays, women, etc, the very groups you claim to be defending, simply to feed your own ego because it’s fragile enough to make Sarah Palin look like Remington Steele. If you really cared about them, you’d shut the hell up because you’re too much of an asshole to defend them in a way that actually helps their cause.
I won’t bother responding to your other bullshit excuses you’ve posted, because they are just bullshit excuses and I’m the type that doesn’t piddle around. You’re just pond scum to me, and hell you’re just pond scum to damn near everyone, though they’re probably just afraid to tell you because you’ll accuse them of being a racist or misogynist or whatever you think is the best way to shut them up. You’re just an asshole with an ego fitting an asshole and you don’t have the balls to own up to it or even let anyone tell you you’re an asshole.
And I’ll make one thing straight. If you do respond to this, and it really doesn’t matter to me if you do or not, you better make damn sure you know that I am not attacking minorities. I’m attacking you.
Oh my!
Yeah, who knew the crazy train had so many stops?
I probably could have put it in more polite terms, but accusing me of supporting wife beating is “fightin’ words” in my book.
But at the end of the day, it is just a message board. I’ve cooled off now and I’ll go do some work on other things for now. I’d rather not hijack this thread even more than I have and I apologize to everyone here (except mister nyx) for doing so.
I’m not going to Pit the guy, though. If he wants to, I’ll leave it up to him.
This is the second time this question has been asked in this thread, and there’s still no answer. Bricker, what in hell is the difference between the proposed legislation and a U-visa? Or, you know, anybody who can explain it.
That law may not be reauthorized, and it will be replaced by one that guts the rights of resident aliens to obtain visas. Dahlia Lithwick explains it all.
But Bricker’s claim, as I understand it, is that the new legislation is controversial because it grants protection to immigrant victims of domestic violence. That seems to imply that there is something about the new legislation that is, to conservatives, worse than the existing legislation. Am I off base here?
ETA: Thanks for the link.
Agreed - I think there’s probably still a lot of room for improvement (including raising awareness of how often men are victims of domestic violence), but any improvement is good improvement. 
And here’s a cite talking about women abusing men.
From the link:
Here’s a link for a site from the US, showing virtually the same statistics.
Most people here certainly “see through it”, in the sense of denying the legitimacy of any complaints about their behavior. They “see through it” when a woman complains about unwanted sexual advances. They “see through it” when gay people complain about organizations that spend money directly to oppress us. I’m used to how people like you “see through it”. It’s not news to me, dude. I’ve both worked in politics and done issue activism on the things that are most important to me. I’m used to dealing with people who legitimately disagree (in ways that I often think are misguided, but are still founded in their moral principles), and I’m used to dealing with people like you who “see through” any attempt by a group of people to seek equality.
Are you gay? Do you feel you have some right to criticize me for being too strongly in favor of gay rights? If you’re not, then that’s an incredibly shitty thing to say. And it illustrates exactly what I have come to see is the norm around here.
And it illustrates something: you, and according to you most people here (I really hope this place isn’t that bad, but I defer my judgment to you), are only in favor of gay rights if the gay people in question are sufficiently polite. (Aside, obviously, from the many people here who are totally opposed to equality for gay people.) You are totally willing to “fuck[…] over gays” if someone speaks about gay rights in a way that you don’t like. Because apparently my misbehavior is an excuse for you to work against our equality. (If not, I wouldn’t be “fucking over gays”, obviously, because you’d all still be committed to our rights.)
Hahaha. You’re gonna need a new bulb if you’re gonna do this much projecting.
Them? Who’s “them”?
Yes, it’s become obvious that you are incapable of responding to what I’ve said. Hence why you’ve leveled a bunch of bullshit attacks instead of doing so.
Yes, you’re attacking me. For speaking out of turn. I’m well aware.