Over at Vox.com, Todd VanDerWerff discusses some of the business factors behind ABC’s decision:
It’s been so long since I’ve posted regularly, I guess I’m unfamiliar with the rules. I did see that Trump’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, and that link to Rosanne seems as tenuous (or not) as ABC/NFL punishment for doing something offensive to most Americans, to try to save their businesses.
Don’t make the mistake of trying to judge whether the protests are justified or not. And I’m glad that you didn’t make it about the 1st Amendment, as so many try to do (unsuccessfully).
As they said in the Godfather, it’s just business. It’s not like the NFL (or baseball, or hockey) just started 2 years ago with the anthem. Like ABC (well, Disney I guess), they know that a majority of Americans find what their employees are doing/saying completely unacceptable, and they know that their business is suffering or would suffer because of it.
Wow, an emotional liberal, what are the odds?
Wow, a conservative too stupid to multi-quote. What a shocker.
If the 2nd season was already in pre-production, that must mean contracts were in place. It will be interesting to see if any lawsuits are filed. If ABC has language protecting them and allowing them to cancel under these circumstances, I wonder if that might open up Barr herself to liability? It’s a big show, I wonder if other cast & staff might have any chance of success in suing her for lost earnings?
Hmmm, where to start.
Yes, the NFL doesn’t ‘own’ the anthem. They have been playing it, as most leagues do, for a long time, probably decades.
Yes, unless slavery comes back into vogue, Americans are free. But they can’t do whatever they want - they can’t shoot a person, they can’t sneak beer into the stadium (most of the time), and if you’re an employee, you have to follow the employer’s rules, or face the consequences. That applies to both the NFL and ABC.
Both properties have the right to protect their brand. Kap, and now Roseanne, are out of a job because they acted in a way that is contrary to their employer’s best interests. And both (or will) suffer the slings and arrows of the public. They made their choices… after all, both were ‘free’ to do what they did.
I’m not a left-wing squirrel, I like to focus on one thing at a time.
And I realize I’m in a prog echo chamber, but even Jesus hung with the lepers and ho’s.
Piss off, Sparky. This is about a network that decided that it didn’t want to be associated with a virulent racist and conspiracy theorist. Not about a damned song.
Not even D’Anconia? You must be a saint.
It’s all just phony patriotism. They put the little yellow ribbon on the Tahoe, wave the flag when they’re not busy blathering about Jesus, and sob uncontrollably when those uppity negroes have the temerity to protest state sanctioned murder.
More useless bullshit from Trump’s White Trash Nation. Fuck the lot of them.
Your rather obvious mental limitations notwithstanding, this thread is about the misadventures of Roseanne Barr. Got anything to say about her?
If not, then you should be using both of your brain cells to focus on shutting the fuck up, you fuck up.
This is a fair criticism. We left-wing squirrels keep scurrying from Roseanne, to Trump, to you. We can’t focus on just one nut.
Or James Watt and his, “I have a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple.”
It’s just business, but that doesn’t mean I can’t make a judgment on both the protests and NFL’s response. I think the protests, being entirely peaceful and silent, are in keeping with the best traditions in American history, and I think the NFL’s response is morally wrong. “Just business” doesn’t excuse immoral behavior.
Penzey’s spices is a great example. They decided to a overt and explicit stand against the bigotry Trump himself has been spewing since before the election. They have been vocal, specific, and clear what they they think of him. They were were willing to lose business because sometimes there is more to this life than business and the idea that the almighty dollar is the end all. Sure there has been some backlash but they keep doing what they feels right, speaking out against bigotry. In the end, I think they’ve done more business than they lost.
While I have no prticular objection to what you wrote here, I would slightly amend the bolded portion to say “”…because they acted in a way that in their bosses opinion their bottom line would be affected."
It’s not science (at least, not yet; it’s getting there) in being able to predict how the masses will react (and more importantly, continue to react) to various provocations. ABC execs saw the tweets, saw cast members and staff leaving, and calculated (probably without too many facts), that 're-habilitating" Roseanne would cost more in viewers, and more importantly, advertisers, than it was worth.
The thing to remember is that these decisions are not arrived at logically or with studies or even with discussions of morality, but by executive’s ‘gut’ feelings and the Almighty Bottom Line.
IMHO as always. YMMV.
Well, the primary distinction between conservatives and liberals is, “Which can feel actual human emotions,” so I guess you’re not wrong there.
But the issue you’re missing is that nobody* is really arguing that what NFL or ABC has done is illegal. The NFL is absolutely free to censure or support their players, as they see fit. ABC can drop or support Roseanne, that’s entirely their call, and nobody is saying that legally, that should be different. Bricker’s “I support this and the NFL because laws!” is a distraction, because this isn’t a legal debate. It’s a moral/ethical debate, and Bricker has a long habit of deliberately mistaking one for the other, hence the hostility he’s receiving in this thread.
*Nobody worth worrying about, at any rate. There are, of course, knobs at either end who don’t understand that the first five words of the first amendment are “Congress shall make no law…”
Now, now; anger, envy, resentment and fear are indisputably human emotions, and conservatives have amply demonstrated their capacity for feeling those.
Yessir. That sig line of mine isn’t about Democrats.