Stop saying "that's how the world is" as though it were morally important.

“Dominant,” please. “Dominate” is a verb.

Cite?

Yeah I know it was a typo, but thanks.

I’m not persuaded that a vegetarian diet would be good for us but a diet of vegetarians, now that could work. We catch them, cook them and eat them. Presto, a rich source of protein and no more constant whining. It’s win-win!

Morals are not important. So something being “morally important” means nothing at all.

Another thing the “that’s how the world is” overlooks is the fact that by and large the world is still a fucking shithole. Who knows, maybe it was supposed to be better.

This has some similarities with the concept of "relfective equilibrium, in that while individuals in a given society will hold differing views, over time these competing views are moderated on a collective level to a position which seems to balance the opinions of all.

Western society has had many generations to discuss meat-eating, or rape, or anything else, and over time we’ve arrived at a position which reflects a balanced view… this is always subject to further reflection of course, but arguably when that point of balance is reached that becomes the de facto “morally acceptable” position.

Cite?

That is totally different from my understanding of tribal life (some muder/rape, but normally not much).

Indeed.
It always amused me that in the Norris case (case in Ireland regarding the constitutionality of sodomy laws), judges on both sides cited the natural law as supporting their position.

That’s just the way it is.

Some things will never change.

DoodaDEN, doodaDUN, doodadun.

If we eat the vegetarians, are we also getting our recommended servings of vegetables?

Is this thread inspired by someone who thinks eating meat is morally repugnant? If so, I have to side with ivn1188, except I don’t think the sentiment was strong enough.

Timing is everything.

Let’s say the veg-heads win, and meat eating is banned. Then, someone with a yen for fighting for a cause (for this is the way of the world) will say, “What about the uncountable trillions of insects that are murdered in the way we grow our vegetables???!!! Are not insects living creatures too???”

And the airways and cyberways will howl with indignation from ento-lovers all over the world until all fruits and vegetables are grown in bug-proof hyperbolic chambers and pollinated by hand and exterminators over the world are out of work.

And then some other crusader will get it into their heads that microbes and viruses should have the same rights as anyone to survive, and antibiotics will be banned after much hoo-hah and millions will die of pneumonia but the cause must go on. It’s common morality.

And then, some other tender-hearted soul will say, “Hey! Plants are living things too!!”

And on it goes. That’s the way of the world.

Humans are omnivores **regardless **of what they choose to eat or refrain from eating. We are currently evolved to be able to ingest and take sustenance from both plant and animal sources.

Take that back!

Polar bears are noble, intelligent creatures not far removed from man, as anyone who has met Iorek Byrnison is well aware. Contrariwise, seals are smug, noisome, great-auk-raping bastiches. By Thor, they’re worse than Welshmen. They deserve to be eaten. In fact, they deserve to be eaten alive–foot-first, so as to prolong their suffering.

This doesn’t apply to humans clubbing baby seals, of course. It’s a little-known fact that seals only become evil at puberty.

Dude, EVERYTHING becomes evil at puberty

So Gustav, you’re saying it woudln’t be okay to time-travel and kill an adolescent Hitler? That’s just how the world works, you know.

Do you see what you’ve done here?

And they wear FUR, too!