Stop telling us to “listen” to Trump voters. We have heard enough

How would we know, he hasnt even taken office yet.

Yes, barely. He won the Presidency largely by taking away some of Trump’s voters and turning out just enough of the Democratic base to offset the significant additional Trump voters that turned out. He tripped up a bit in the last debate when he talked about eliminating fossil fuels, but fortunately he still pulled out PA.

Contrast his rhetoric (as poor a speaker as he is) with House Democrats. They got their clocks collectively cleaned. And in red states not a single Democrat Senate candidate won. I saw very good local candidates here get creamed in what could have been competitive races (lean R districts to be sure).

I don’t think we have great final data yet, but it’s going to be very important for Democrats to try to figure out which part of this election was about their policies and which part was about Trump (both votes for him and against him).

At this early junction it seems to me that at the margins voters split the difference - they voted against Trump the man but also against Democratic policies.

It’s very tough, because when you know (or at least believe) you are on the right side of an issue it is very attractive to reach for the full solution, be it health care of climate change. But, in general, people are very fearful of large-scale changes, even for things as obviously emergent as climate change or things that impact people so directly like health care.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Jas09’s point was, to summarize, that if Dems speak the right language, (some) Repubs will get on board. I pointed out that Biden spoke in very similar language to what Jas09 suggested. And since there was a little election since Biden said those things, maybe it is a testable hypothesis? Did that optimistic framing work out? I mean, to some extent, it did since Biden was elected. But my ultimate point, of course, is that Jas09 is not uncovering the Rosetta Stone here. Democrats frequently DO say exactly the kind of things Jas09 is suggesting they say and yet many millions of Republicans think they are molesting children in pizza parlor basements. It’s a wee bit problematic, and the problem is not inherently Dem messaging.

Right.

It’s hard to get positive messaging across to a person who jams their fingers in their ears going “la la la la I can’t hear you”

This is effectively what Trump voters are doing. They don’t want to hear. They just want everyone else to listen to them complain and whine and cry about how “unfair” they are treated.

You don’t know how many times… :wink:

Clinton made a concerted effort to reach out to Latinos but that outreach came at the expense of black voters in rust belt states. I think Biden had the opposite problem: he spent so much time trying to convince blacks to go to the polls that it came at the expense of the Latino vote.

I’d also submit that Democrats have to be careful. Once you get past the immigration bans, Hispanic outrage at Republicans quiets down considerably.

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I’d report this, except I really like the Captain Obvious commercials. :crazy_face: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

It’s worth noting that New Hampshire, a state that went for Biden and also elected Democrats to Congress…simultaneously saw its state legislature flip from blue to red.

Do you just mean money and time spent in one place cannot be spent in another, or is there some kind of conflict of interest that makes it hard to appeal to both?

It doesn’t make much sense to think of the Latino vote as a block anyway, since that covers a lot of different groups.

Time, money, attention. I agree, though, that we have to be careful about lumping Latinos into one group, and that was apparent this year especially.