Ah yes, the arguement stemming from that horrible combination of politcal angry and political naivette.
“They’re all the same”… Sorry, don’t cut mustard. Its intellectual laziness.
BTW, do you remember the last president who even got close to re-initiating the draft? Remember what happened to him?
Betcha don’t.
Let me put it to you this way, FinnAgain:
I don’t particularly care about your politics, your ideological bent, or your motivations. The only thing that concerns me is the idea that you might end up wearing the same uniform I wear.
We don’t want people who don’t want to do what they’re doing any more than you want to be forced into it. For that reason, the draft has no possibility of being reconstituted. The last thing we need is a professional force destroyed from within by the likes of you. So calm your nerves, rest your weary head, and sleep easy. You won’t be called up for duty.
And believe me, from what you’ve displayed here, nobody will be happier about that than myself.
Did you perhaps watch the debates between gore and bush “Well, I agree with you” “Well I agree with YOU”
Are you perhaps aware that both parties have been attempting to become ‘centrist’?
Are you aware that the GOP and DNC are bankrolled by the same groups?
Are you aware that even if those aren’t true, they have NOTHING to do with the issue at hand?
Do you understand why your arguing minuta rather than the issue at hand is simply intellectual masturbation?
Betcha don’t.
Facts from your OP:
I am sorry but this really doesn’t sound like you are freaking out about a potential draft. It sounds like you hate Bush and are jumping on any band wagon possible to make him look like a monster.
There is a bill to require public service. That is not the same thing as a draft. This bill is being sponsored by Democrats. This bill most likely going no where and the average personal is likely to never even hear about it. Bush has nothing to do with it.
You remind me of Chicken Little but with less reasoning skills.
Kudos on not caring about things which don’t matter to the discussion at hand.
And don’t worry, I’d never allow my life to be stolen.
You can rest easy knowing that you and yours can freely engage in more Mai Lai style police actions without pesky pacifists fucking up your fun and destroying the efficiency of squads of trained killers.
I have to step in at this very point. This is The Pit. The OP says “Stop the draft.” The OP is calling for citizen action to stop even THE NOTION of a draft. I agree with this kind of activism. In this frame of reference, “cite-requesting detractors” are displaying either their immaturity, or outright inability to fathom a logical progression of events.
FinnAgain: I am not a Moderator, but I recommend you dial it back a bit, because you’re tilting at windmills. I suggest you slow down, take a breath and understand what you’re up against.
A lot of people around here are generally disinterested in taking an active part in the process. Actually, I’ll amend that: they’re disinterested until it’s five minutes past “too late.” Then they feel justified to bitch about it.
Mr. Moto: Your “Section 8” post is completely out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Sorry what it sounds like to you.
Yes, I"m freaking out about a potential draft.
Yes, both political parties are controlled by the same people. No, it doesn’t matter if they use one hand or the other.
“Look, it’s my left hand, that makes it totally different!”
This is a bill to require public service and military service.
Are you purposefully omiting that lil’ inconsequential detail?
Reasoning skills indeed.
Thanks very much for the bit of sanity.
All right, motherfucker. You just crossed THE line with me. Nobody calls me a murderer, you craven piece of shit. You have no idea what you are talking about, and you would do well to shut the fuck up right the fuck now.
FTR, it was not me who broguth up the distinction bewteen conscription and the draft. If I’m (finally!) interpreting you correctly, I’d agree that the argument is a semantic one. Either is wrong, IMO.
And I am soo freakin’ tired of the argument that “it’ll never happen” (which I see has been posted by several dopers, not including FinnAgain 
). I’d dare say a considerable amount of wars throughout history were thought likely not to “happen” and yet they did. For instance, IIRC, WWI was once thought to be the “war to end all wars” or at least serve as an example of the dangers of World War, and yet, WWII happened 20-some-odd years later, draft and all. After that, the draft would “never happen” again, except for a little thing called “Vietnam.” Yeah, it’ll never happen is really sound and we should all practice our politics accordingly.
Please then define for me in operational terms what someone’s job is who goes places and kills people?
Does this definition change if they wear a uniform?
Your denial is beneath you.
Thank you, and I’m sorry… I thought you were being sarcastic before. (just got my hackles raised and trying to cool off) ~small smiles~
Yes, you are interpreting me correctly, the distinction is a semantic one.
No, it doesn’t. Especially when you actually read the bill and notice that there’s no “if” involved. EVERYONE of a certain age would be REQUIRED to serve in some capacity. That is most definitely NOT a draft - it’s mandatory service. And every democratic country that has mandatory service doesn’t require mandatory MILITARY service.
“Some form of service” is an awefully vague phrase, dontcha think? Requiring service, again, is not a draft. There’s that lack of intellectual effort again.
You have yet to provide any evidence that would suggest the government gets to determine what sort of service someone would be performing, yet you claim they get the choice, and not the person in service. Support the claim or, again, shut the fuck up.
And I claim there is no call for a draft. I’m claiming the OP has no idea what he’s talking about. Providing evidence would seem to be MANDATORY under such a bullshit premise. Adding to the fact that I presented a coherent argument behind which the most liberal of congressmen support a draft, to which FinnAgain had no reply.
Finn, I understand your objection here. Honestly, I do. But if, hypothetically, I posited that the supporters of a draft were pacifists (which I’m not, yet), don’t you think that would constitute a reasonable debating point?
You really should learn to keep your mouth shut when you’re not even reading the factual material.
Not only is it a draft, but I’ve now answered you at least two times on this very subject. Since you evidently can’t or won’t read, here’s the quote. (and no, you don’t get to choose how you serve, that’s idiotic)
(d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--
(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; and
(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.
(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).
And yes, it’d be a good topic for debate, in a seperate thread. If pacifists start a draft, the draft has to be shut down. If hawks start a draft, the draft has to be shut down ~shrugs~
No problem FinnAgain. I can see how easily one might mistake a lot of things on this board, in particular in the Pit, for sarcasm, and I’m glad we got it straightened out.
It’s pretty clear now that you’re a worthless fuckstain just trying to stir the shit. See ya.
Yeah, I’m not a pacifist and a concerned citizen who doesn’t want to see war going on or our nation’s youth butchered.
Have fun, and don’t let that flag-wavin’ get in the way of hatin’ us conscientious objectors.
Congratulations. 54 posts into your own thread before you post an actual fact. Too bad the rest has been utter tripe. Goodbye.
Funny, I could swear that I posted links wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back.
And, the bills were refrenced in the orringinal link in the OP…
Funny, that.
54 posts in and you learn how to read.
I’d also point if, if no facts were posted, then what facts were YOU claiming? Or do you reserve the right to hypocricy along with telepathy?
I’ll miss your presence so. ~sniffles~
FinnAgain: Again, I’m not a Moderator, but your percentages aren’t looking too swell right about now. The reason people are saying “goodbye” is because they reckon you’re on your way out. Slow down.
May I suggest the gentleman takes a breather in Cafe Society? How about a “get to know me” thread in MPSIMS?
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